Rejected Revert the Rule Allowing the Use of Slurs

For the wellbeing of the server this rule fucking sucks for the common toxic folk who play the game its awesome

 

I think this whole topic is stupid. With all due respect.

First of all, it's 2019. Damn-near 2020 in like 4 months. I thought the toxic-memer vocabulary was only really popular in like 2011 or whatever, or even whenever iDubbz was the trend.
In my opinion it's out-dated memes, is my point.

Secondly, I genuinely wonder why people want to be able to say these words so badly. I realize humor is subjective so I can't say much else, but I still believe it's something we should leave behind.
I'm surprised the rule to keep it out was ever changed in the first place lol. I understand the whole 'Freedom of speech' thing too but we also have the freedom to, y'know, not say these offensive terms to begin with.
It's not like I want a christian server or anything. Cuss all you want for all I care but, stuff like the "N-Word" and "F*ggot" should be punished.

And for those of you who are campaigning to let these slurs be free to use, are any of you even black and/or gay? lol. Those are the only terms I'd like to NOT hear/see on the servers. Everything else isn't exactly free to go, but I care less about.

So that's kinda all I wanted to say about this. And if anyone was curious, I'm kinda new to the community. I joined late '16 and only wanted to find a new TTT server to join with Agent A but I peace'd out after a few weeks until yesterday. So. Hi again.

 

Bro what the fuck do you think the point of this thread is? Obviously, some mods aren't even going to realize guinea is a slur because they are kids and it's rarely used but if someone called someone a guinea ingame in a derogatory manner, should be treated the same as kike/nigger/faggot/chink/whatever. Did you even read the title?

strawmanning so hard

 

Glad to see you're about the same as usual. Feel free to take this either way, you should get my intention lol.

 

There is like 7 people one right now making a KKK clan on TTT and saying N***** randomly and I'm guessing this is totally OK by the server rules. WHY?

 

Unless you’re black you’re not allowed to be offended by it as you are then being offended for others and that’s a no no. They’re clearly just having some rowdy fun and socializing and this behavior must be encouraged to ensure a strong community rebuild. These are the people that we need to show the rest of Gmod that we’re not fooling around and we are making a dramatic comeback.

 

People are ENCOURAGED to become KKK members????

 

Given some of the responses Ive seen from the rule advocates as long as you arent the true target of the slur you are not actually offended and you should let it go before they’re officially allowed to call you an autist snowflake by 4chan law.

To me it sounds like these advocates truly and unequivocally have it all figured out.

 

I came onto the server not knowing that the rule had changed and reported it to @Ashes Relandi and I reported several cases of it to him. He then told me that the words "nigger" and "faggot" along with other slurs are allowed. This absolutely mind boggled me. So you guys just want this place to go to shit. I didn't enjoy my time back on that day cause of the fact of how toxic the server was. About 5 people were targetting a kid with this and the kid didn't know what was going on so he was clueless as to what was going on and couldn't take offense to what he knew so sadly Ashes couldnt do anything. I think the rule should head back to the way it was cause right now everytime I hop onto a server I hear a slur and wanna hop off cause I don't wanna be in a toxic environment.

 

Literally how the rules were enforced prior to this was if it was nigger or faggot insta punishment; however, any other slurs hurled around was ignored.

And clearly you didn't read the rest of the thread where Python felt other racial slurs weren't as bad as nigger (which is a completely subjective point of view)(Also Python being a white male). For these rules to actually be accepted and work properly all slurs need to be deemed insta hazardous not just a select few or not at all.

And if staff can't tell whether a word is a slur or not then they need to be educated more on the subject, otherwise, how can they perform their jobs effectively?

 

I cant believe you of all people would do that Grumble, and to see that you went to THAT extent?? I had much more faith in you. I am extremely disappointed that you would do that.

 

And that's my entire argument, that its silly to enforce vocabulary because where do you draw the line?

 

Huh?

 

Other slurs weren't ignored... these are kids, they don't even realize they are slurs sometimes especially when it comes to more uncommonly used ones. It's up to the players to bring attention to it and then the mods would be able to take action.

AT SLURS! we are drawing the line at slurs lmfao why is this so hard for you to grasp. Yeah python may think that guinea isn't as bad, but if someone took offense to it they should be able to report it to the mods and have it handled. The mods aren't language bots that can automatically detect slurs, but if they were against the rules then appropriate action could be taken when they are pointed out. Pythons opinion on the slurs are irrelevant so stop bringing that up as a counter point, he still thinks any slur usage should be punishable.

edit: ok maybe he doesn't think guinea should be automatically punishable but i think if a mod sees it and knows they are using it in a derogative manner then it should be treated the same as nigger.

 

But that's just it! It's difficult to enforce rules on a subjective situation, which differs from other rules (RDM, ghosting, Hacking, etc.) these are purely objective. Its easier to treat slurs as an extension of the harassment rule on an individual basis.

 

I'm not asking for a rework of the previous rule. Nothing was wrong with it. You said yourself that you're not offended by 'guinea', even though you're Italian. I'm Irish and half-Hungarian, but I'm not gonna get upset at someone calling me Paddy or Bog.
However the difference between me and you is I can set aside pettiness and understand why other players may not want nigger or faggot being thrown around on the servers as opposed to other, less common and niche, slurs.
Nigger and faggot can offend anyone, regardless of race or sexuality. Call someone a 'guinea' and they'd probably just stare at you confused, unless they are Italian.
Fact is, 'guinea' is not as bad as nigger or faggot, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.

If you were offended by 'guinea', however, the person calling you that would likely receive a warning just like any other slur. It's not an instant warning because it shouldn't be. It's niche and uncommon, and you're not even offended by it.

Gringo is also a slur. I'm white and I'm more offended by the use of the word nigger than any white slur you could throw at me.

 

Really.. it's not. If a mods see slurs being tossed around they can dish out punishment. You think the mods don't miss cases of rdm? By that logic, unreported damage shouldn't be against the rules since sometimes the mods don't see it.

 

I actually agree with what grumble brought up; it’s all or nothing.

I’m against reverting it back to what it was, experiences may differ, but it’s been a super non issue in game and been easier to staff as a result.

 

also guinea is a little different because there are guinea pigs, the republic of guinea, etc. There are no nigger pigs or republic of faggots. If someone is obviously using it as a slur then it shouldn't be allowed.