Can we amend traitor baiting rules to add this

This should definitely be considered traitor baiting. On many servers, it is.
The two arguments I've seen the most:
1. It doesn't damage you until it goes off
The best reply to this one is what Xpropplayer said:

Why would you wait for it to hit you (or explode) before taking action?

2. It's easy to tell the difference between dropping and throwing | Grenades become solid after thrown | Frag grenades make noise
It is NOT easy to tell the difference. There is no visible difference between throwing and dropping except for the distance that the grenade travels. However, this can be spoofed by running forward and aiming up, making the grenade appear thrown.
Grenades are solid after being thrown, yes. Who is going to find that out before it goes off? I'm not gonna step on it to find out a half second sooner, only to be caught in the blast.
Frag grenades make noise and are very easy to spot.


I see two very reasonable solutions here (in my opinion):
Consider dropping grenades in suspicious manners traitor baiting. Throwing/dropping discombobs on maps where they can be lethal, incendiaries into crowds, et cetera should all be seen as traitorous.
OR
Add sounds to the other grenades as well. Currently, the only grenade that is immediately discernable is the frag grenade because of the noise it makes.

 

Dropping a grenade is not logged and if someone were to add this as a rule... it would mean a lot of nasty rdming happens and loophole trolling.

 

If you're not able to either wait for an explosion to occur, and instead blow some poor Innocents brains out due to them Q-Tossing a nade....I have no words. If anything, if you watch someone Q-Tossing it repeatedly then it's safe to assume they're not an idiot, and their goal is either to be a troll, or just to test the awareness of other players. Also: It will typically bounce MUCH further and easier across the floor, if they're running while throwing it. :-/

 

It's the same as when someone shoots at you but doesn't hit you. There is a perceived threat and you are acting on it, even though no actual damage has been dealt to you.

 

The difference being an actual shot, an actual discharge and sound that makes some twitchy/trigger happy players want to blast your brains out or attempting to. In this case, simply waiting for an explosion after watching said party "toss" or toss it isn't that hard. Getting out of the situation without having other innocents shooting you up on the other hand...in both situations, it's a lose lose unless you have a mic and are quick in explaining yourself for most players.

 

No. It isn't the same. Shooting could hurt you. Dropping a grenade would not even come close to hurting you unless it somehow manages to go the speed of light and inject itself through you.

 

I don't see how you don't understand mine and shadowteks points, if someone throws a lit frag, from an inno perspective you see someone having a grenade ejected from their body, if they threw a primed nade into the air that was cooked, it would be exactly the same looks as someone dropping a grenade into the air. And that could easily be added to logging with very basic lua code.

 

Bad example. Frags "tink" if they're thrown. If they're Q-Tossed, no sound whatsoever. The only players to confuse this would be exceptionally new ones, or players watching from an extreme distance away. If you throw it through the air, it will hang for a longer time/not go as high up. Using a smoke grenade would be a good substitute for testing, as it follows the same trajectory as other nades if you were to throw them. Roughly, anyhow.

 

Dropping grenades, as mentioned, do not appear in our logs. If we were to start holding people accountable for things that we cannot observe, a big hole in the way we staff now exists.

You have been given multiple differences between dropping a grenade and throwing a grenade.

This has never been a huge problem before, and is easy to learn once you see it happen.

Of course from an external view it would like suspicious if someone had dropped a grenade to kill someone. It's a game where people use guns to kill other people. You don't kill someone for pointing their gun at you. If this was real life, showing a frag grenade in your hand at all would be grounds to kill someone. But, it's a video game. It's not a traitorous act until you are seen in danger, and you are not when it is thrown.

 

If gunshots can be logged so can grenade drops.

 

I wasn't under the impression that you were @Highwon.

 

Not sure why you're being rude for me bringing up a point, I've coded lua in the past, I know it can be done, and it could probably just be crowdsourced by the community.

 

It's only rude if you take it as such.

Besides the fact, what would adding dropping even do for us? Wouldn't that only help those who drop grenades to prove they are innocent, since dropping grenades isn't a T act?

 

I'm saying that people wouldn't attempt to get people to rdm them or "trolling" as someone else said by simply running up to people and dropping a grenade as I did in the video, this whole thing started because a MODERATOR did it to me while I was in the T tester, then of course he has another mod slay me.

 

Just don't kill people until you see an explosion.

#dontbetriggerhappy.

 

The reason we have something called "administrative discretion" is so we can punish people who abuse these slight loopholes in the rules, one being the dropping of grenades to get people slain.

The main reason why dropping grenades isn't a T act is because you shouldn't be killed for wanting a different grenade. Intentionally dropping grenades at people? Okay, you're crossing in bad territory. You're not doing anything illegal, but you're certainly not doing anything good. There are things like this that exist in modern society as well.

If someone were to be doing this INTENTIONALLY to get players slain for killing them, much like you did earlier today, an admin would come in and handle them appropriately for "loophole trolling." We are not going to modify our rules because people like to bend them. We will punish those who bend them.

 

So dont kill people firing NEAR you until they hit you like the current traitor baiting rules are either huh?

 

You can kill someone for firing near you. What rulebook are you reading?

 

In regards to your last paragraph, you should ban @Rice for 5 days on all servers because he did that to me earlier and then slayed me, he deserves a 5 day ban on all servers like @TheCoCoFTW gave me.

 

I was being sarcastic because by letting people go crazy with grenades near you you might as well let them go crazy with bullets as well.