Approved ThIrD-EyE's Appeal

Your In Game Nickname:

ThIrD-EyE​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:402843​

Which Server:

West 2​

Why you should be unbanned:

I'm not even totally sure why I was banned for a month. I don't know if it was that I got 3 slays or if a mod thought I left before serving all my slays.​

Evidence of Innocence:

I was given 3 slays for RDM and then had the cumulative slays on top of that. The last 2 slays were entirely my fault. The one slay that I don't agree with was the first that likely lead to me being banned. I served all my slays before I left the server after suiciding on the round after my slays were over.

It was on Teenroom and I was slain for killing Five Akima (I think that was his name). Before the round had even ended and before I had even responded to the report agaainst me, I was given a slay by Alisae. I tried to explain why I killed him in the report, and because I figured it was enough evidence, the slay would be removed.

The slay stood and no matter how many times I tried to explain, no one would listen and they just considered my answer to contradictory. Rozboon also showed up as I was trying to explain what happened, which didn't help at all because he wasn't there when the round happened and also left as I was trying to explain the situation from my point of view.

Here is what happened. I was on the bed with my Intervention zoomed in, I saw someone moving around with nothing in either hand on the shelf below the top and above the TV. No one else was on that shelf. Then I saw the person switch to C4. What I didn't catch was his name because he moved out of view before I could get the name and figured they planted C4.

There was still no one else on that shelf except for the person I just saw with C4. It wasn't until I moved next to the Police car on the track leading to the top, that I caught the name when they went into the vent and then I Kosed after I myself went into the vent at the top, alone. No one else was in the vent except for Five Akima who I just saw with C4 in hand on the shelf below and who just entered the vent.

I crowbar pushed him off the cabinet door after kosing, because no one else was following the KOS despite there being at least 5 people all gathered together next to him. I said C4 top twice and then went down to the floor to go ID the body. I IDed 1 body before IDing Five Akima's body and then said in chat Wire 1, after clicking the C4 icon on the body.

I didn't actually see him plant C4 which may be why the mods figured my story was contradictory. I can't remember exactly what I said in the report. I thought he had planted C4, but I was thinking it wouldn't have mattered since I saw the C4 in his hand and made efforts to get people off the top by saying "C4 top" twice in chat. Someone had planted C4 on the same shelf earlier in the match, to which I also said C4 top. I didn't see who planted that one, but it's what lead me to go to the bed and watch who was on the shelves.​

 

You were banned by @Salisian for Loophole Trolling; he'll respond at his earliest convenience.

 

I'm also wondering why I was banned for a month (says 28 days when I try to connect to a server) and not a week as the rules state for bans. This is my first "official" ban not including karma bans.

 

I was banned for loopholing? That is news to me...

 

Loophole trolling technically has no official ban length, a regular like yourself would get a longer ban than others due to your extensive knowledge of the rules and mindfulness of what you have done. But just be patient and Salisian, who can issue a ban for as long as he wants up to 26w since he is an admin, should clear this all up for you.

 

Administrators have discretion to extend/globalize bans as they deem it appropriate. Salisian will explain the ban and the reason for it's length whenever he gets the chance.

 

I will admit, this loopholing ban is a little less clear-cut than a lot that I've had to deal with. However, this isn't about a single incident, it's about a pattern of behavior on our servers. Every single time I sign onto a server with you, there's a player complaining about you, or a mod saying that you're loopholing and begging me for discretion to ban you. Everybody knows you kill people on vague suspicion, then loophole and argue your way out of it. It's what you do. If I called for mod or player witnesses there would be dozens who have had suspicions but who haven't quite gotten sufficient evidence.

So, we'll just say that the cases presented below are the tip of an iceberg, intended to let you know that you've been a chore for us to deal with. Each isn't damning on its own, but when taken as part of a greater whole, it shows the scope of the problem.

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Case 1:

Spoiler: Report

Now, I was clearly there at the time of the action, and I vaguely knew where Smiley was, so I was fairly sure he wasn't with the player in question at the time. Thus I investigated, and:

Spoiler: Brief snippet of conversation

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ijw0fc9invmqhe7/ThirdEyeLoopholing.dem?dl=0

Hop to about tick 6000. After you kill Kartikeya, the grenade goes off at 1:53 in the demo. That means Kartikeya could have started cooking it no sooner than 1:48. Smiley leaves your view at about 1:41, and stays completely away from the action until he returns at 1:55. That's seven seconds Smiley is out of view before the grenade is cooked. Even by the most generous estimations of lag, there's no way that


You might argue that yes, Kart had the discombob out at the time Smiley was present, but given the timing of your kill (i.e. the fact you killed him before he threw it,) you clearly know the difference between the animation of holding a grenade and preparing to throw one. You might try to argue that you got confused because you saw someone else there- however, Bosser and I are the only others in the area, and Smiley and I clearly have on a skin, and Bosser doesn't show up until after you kill him.

You continue to say Smiley was "next to" him, well into the next map.

During setup time for the following map, I viewed the demo. When I came back on, I issued a slay, and a warning:

Spoiler: Slay

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Case 2:

This was handed to me a while afterwards:



The timing on the incident is what's the worst: you clearly saw him shoot the wall, and opted not to fire back at him immediately. Instead, you waited for him to move away. You knew very well that player was no danger to you, nor a traitor, and you shot him anyways. This is the essence of loopholing: you aren't playing the game as intended, and you killed this player just to get a kill.

Nonetheless, I sat on it for a while (for some reason.)

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Case 3:

In regards to the slay you're talking about above:

Spoiler: Report

Spoiler: Logs

Spoiler: Conversation

"I watched him do it from the track"
becomes
"I didn't see anyone plant"
and there's more than one case where you lost track of him in an area without a single entrance or exit. All in all, maybe valid, but it's extremely suspicious, especially given the level of detail that suddenly appeared as your story progressed.

While this case might be normally explainable, your past behavior puts a serious question in my mind, especially given that you killed him with a crowbar push. I can manufacture all sorts of scenarios that led to this, and few of them are legitimate.

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While I don't quite agree with how Alisae's method of questioning went, it still got you to do what you always do when you're questioned about RDM: you A) change your story, suddenly adding details in order to try to find the magic words that cast enough doubt to get you in the clear, or B) bullheadedly stick with the fact that from 'your perspective' something happened, even when it's conclusively proven wrong. To be honest, if any of these were an isolated case on a forum report, they would be dismissed with a single slay. The last of these might even be dismissed as invalid due to reasonable doubt. However, it's the straw that broke the camel's back.

Let's be clear: I'm not necessarily claiming you're some evil mastermind, out to probe our rules and break them. Maybe you're genuinely confused all these (probably hundreds of) times you've killed on false pretexts. I don't know. However, you've seemingly learned the language just enough to create a lot of work for mods and create a lot of aggravation. The point of this ban is to get your attention in that regard. That's why it's only four weeks, instead of more.

I'll leave the appeal open for your comments, although I'll admit I'm leaning heavily towards denying it.

 

I can't even see the demo for Case 1 or even remember much about it, so I really can't say much about. He probably started running and went out of my cross hair view, so I couldn't call him out with the radio. I probably wasn't that far behind, so I likely chased him some. You slayed me for this anyway, so I must have been mistaken or done something wrong.

For Case 2, I would say the evidence is weak as it's from 1 perspective. I remember some of this because it turned into a mild rage fest. I was zoomed in and looking at the opening in the closet on the other end of the shelf. From my perspective I thought Smash took a quick shot at me like many people do to people not moving, when playing traitor. That video shows that he could have actually shot at Muffinman if not me, but also doesn't show the what else happened after Smash turned and ran. I had to aim for awhile because Muffinman had moved into my line of sight before I shot my sniper rifle.

Case 3. I am completely 100% in the wrong on this. I genuinely thought Five Akita had C4 in his hand, but I probably saw him switch to a grenade or something else and I actually made this even worse for myself insisting that I saw him plant the C4. I later thought about it and realize I never actually saw him plant anything and had only saw him go behind the VCR on the shelf for what I thought was long enough to plant C4. I don't even remember if the mods actually told me that Five Akita never had C4 or even planted C4, maybe someone did. I would have dropped it right then if I was told otherwise. There is nothing I can say that would excuse my undeniably wrong actions on this matter.

Probably 90% of the reports against me are people just getting mad because they didn't read the rules. People are constantly reporting me for shooting them when they had a T weapon out when Innocent or throwing discombobulators near other players (whether they kill anyone or not), and for killing them when they themselves just shot or killed an innocent player. Most people know it's kosable and yet they do these things anyway. The rest are usually my own mistakes and I mostly accept the slay without even attempting to defend myself because it's just not worth the hassle of wasting the moderators time. I play the game within the rules as best as I can. I don't intentionally try to loophole to get out of a slay, but I can see how it would look like I am.

This is the the first time I've ever been banned for something other than low karma (I have at least 3 low karma bans that I remember) in the over 1300 hours playing on the Serious TTT servers over more than a year. In fact, over 14-15 years I think I've only been banned from 4 other servers of various games.

Do I deserve to have the ban removed? No, after seeing now how wrong I was on Case 3, I feel I deserve no less than a 1 week ban. Though I would ask for a compromise of a 2 week ban in addition to time already served if 1 week is deemed not long enough. If I have to serve the full time, so be it, I deserve it for all the headache and trouble I cause for Moderators and Admins.

I apologize to Five Akita for the RDM and the Serious GMOD Staff. I'm sorry for all the annoyance, exhaustive arguing, drama, stupidity and asshole behavior I have or may have caused.

 

Upon some serious reflection, I've decided to commute this sentence to time served because, as I went back through all my logs, the nature of most of your cases of RDM was careless, not belligerent.

I'll unset the ban, but I won't list it as void- that means that it's still on your record that you have an issue with acting on improper information. In the future, be more careful with your depictions of events in game when you're reported for RDM.