So, I don't know if this is specifically just the mods I see around here, but it definitely seems like warnings are thrown around for certain words specifically that can be seen as harassment. Of course I'm talking about the work n(INJA). 'Course, since I censored myself, you'll have to come to the conclusion yourself. However, I don't know if there actually is a specific list of words that mods have to enforce or things like that, but if there is certain things that absolutely 100% not acceptable in any circumstances, then could there be a page on the forums dedicated to rules specifically listing out words that are not okay to say? Yeah, I can use my common sense, but sometimes, it's important to have a baseline to judge with I think. What do you think?
It's completely subjective though. You could say anything to me and I wouldn't be "harassed" but you could say to another person they're a piece of shit and they'll call harassment, that's why you can't have a set list.
Normally, I agree. But, I'm not talking about subjective things like that. It feels like there's words that Mods ALWAYS warn on. Like, of course, N(INJA), and other words that may make fun of disabilities. I've been told that harassment is to be taken care of by mods, and it's up to a player to describe if they're being harrassed, yes. But it seems like there's words that certain mods always go for on harassment warnings. I'm probably doing a terrible job explaining this, but, in short: If Harassment charges are going to be subjective, they should be 100% subjective, or at least have a list of the ones that will ALWAYS land that issue. Some words, not all, seem to always get someone muted for their first warning. Even if nobody reports they're being harassed. So, hopefully that explains in more detail what I meant. I probably still make no sense though I bet. Too tired, heheh.
Like I said it falls down to the mod's subjective opinion, As a staff member people could say what they want unless someone was offended, If noone cares about you saying a joke about the holocaust or using nigger then I don't see any reason to punish for it. Making a list of "instantly punishable words" is very stupid and immature because it be-littles people who can actually control their emotions and no take offence to things.
I see. Well, I'd agree there. I wasn't sure if it was a rule specifically for mods or not. In which case, if there isn't such a list, it makes little to no sense for the mod to take matters into their own hands, especially given that it's been made clear that it's up to the victim to inform the mods. If there isn't infact some not public list of words, perhaps then mods shouldn't be able to jump on some things, but leave others alone, depending... I see though. I'm mostly just saying that if they do have a list, it should be public. Thanks for your opinion!
I agree with Carned. The only reason that I warn immediately upon hearing the n word or things of the like is because I myself am offended by it, and honestly just expect others on the server to be as well. If nobody is offended by certain other things, I tend to let them slide until someone is, or until they push it a little bit too far. But it's still a completely subjective area.
If you played on EU, you would understand how making up a certain concrete set of rules of "what is harassment" and what isn't for wordplay is rather difficult and circumstantial. It really boils down to how the server at the moment is handling banter and cheeky comments. This rule could be considered 'Open Ended' as it doesn't specify what Harassment is by definition of a word, but as Carned stated, a certain set of circumstances that could be deemed as Toxic, unruly, or Trollish in the end. The word "Cunt" may not seem very pleasing to hear or "Faggot" for some of our players. Often a lot of the time some users or staff will take a step in to comment their dislike for this type of Word Play, yet other times, some players will banter and drop cursing or even call each other very vulgar names. The list would be rather big or cause players to complain when Banter is very common and a natural thing in all games.
It's important to realize: I'm aware that a lot of harrassment is subjective. What was simply being proposed was that if there are words which, are 100% Intolerable, they should be posted somewhere. Otherwise, it should be made clear somewhere in the rules that harrasment should be reported to a mod or admin. I'm well aware that harrassment is subjective. I'm well aware that words can mean different things to different people. And I'm now recently aware that some mods can also gag for their perspective of what is offensive or not. Rather, this is more so a suggestion on making it clear somewhere in the rules what is considered harassment. And if there are no set definitions, then maybe there should still be something at least stating that if someone feels harrassed, to ask a mod, rather than to expect them to just magically know when a line is crossed. The point is, not necessarily that words are bad, just that there's way too much digging to do for harassment to be properly be taken care of IMO. I changed the title. Hopefully the point I'm trying to get across makes more sense this way.
So lets use a common word then that you find offensive and so do I, yet is not offensive to others. "Cunt" Often on EU, Players have a very different way of interaction of what is considered 'Banter'. It is very often players overseas call eachother very vulgar things, yet are considered harassment to others. I can't tell you how many times I have heard the phrase, "You cheeky cunt." from players. Certainly, this word would make the list, but it is by no means not always bad in the context it is being used, thus I would disagree that a 100% intolerable list should be implemented, but continued as it is.
And if there are no set definitions, then maybe there should still be something at least stating that if someone feels harrassed, to ask a mod, rather than to expect them to just magically know when a line is crossed. This is what a lot of people seem to miss. I don't know if there is a set standard or not. And clearly, there isn't, which I've understood now. Which is why I've stated this several times now. Or at least tried to convey it, but honestly, my sleepy brain wasn't doing a very good job of it. I'm more than fine accepting there should be no list. Alright. Fine. This isn't about the list anymore, hence the title change. This is just a specification of the rules in general, and if there is no 100% correct or incorrect rule, the players should be informed of such, instead of given next to no insight of what classifies as harrassment. Subjective to the mod's viewpoint or not. TL;DR This isn't about some stupid swear list. Players should just be told that 'Hey. If you're being harrassed, tell a mod.' Instead of being just left out in the dark. That's the point of the suggestion.
If this is your suggestion, this is how things are already handled. There are multiple threads on this, and this is the end result for them all is them being told if you are feeling harassed or uncomfortable, notify staff.
That's fine and dandy if there are threads and such, yes. But the fact is, when viewing the rules, and the extended rules when connecting in game, players are left in the dark unless they decide to do an absolute metric ton of digging to look for it. In fact, Lemme go ahead, read the extended rules, and see if I can find it anywhere. Alright, I've found where it's listed in the extended Rules. In my personal opinion, it just feels like there's way too much digging to do to find a solution to this sort of thing, and as far as I can tall, the MOTD doesn't state the extended rules point to harrassment details, unless I've missed something. The primary thing I'm suggesting is simply to make it easier to find, but ultimately, that's up to the discretion of the staff. Since I feel like not much came from this thread, I'm gonna go ahead and stop responding to it. This whole thing was a trainwreck started by me not properly explaining what I meant at the begining.
You can't set a list of rules or anything of the sort because it's impossible to know what and who will be offended at each living moment. In an ideal world people can handle their own emotions and not be offended but sadly we live in a PC world now.
