Completed Report against Syn

Name of Staff/Player:

Syn​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

STEAM_0:1:113430272​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:0:59585846​

Which Server:

West 1​

Which Map:

dunno​

Which Round:

dunno​

Time of Occurence:

~3PM EST​

Reason For Report:

Syn slayed me for killing someone for GBA.

Was standing outside and someone shot at me. I thought it was someone else so I moved back into cover and the other guy (not the one who shot at me) was still walking towards me instead of reacting to the traitor shooting at me. So I ended up shooting him and being reported for it.​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

Mods should have been able to easily check the death scene to see what occured but instead decided to slay me because "walking towards someone is not a t-act" despite saying multiple times that he was GBA for not reacting to fire. Rice and Chicken tried to explain that running away from fire due to low health or other reasons doesn't make you GBA...but it does make you GBA (per the rules) if you don't react to others t-baiting next to you.

I said "traitor was shooting at us and you were walking towards me menacingly" which is pretty obviously GBA and the mods could have checked the death scene but instead gave a slay. Syn tried claiming I said "us" so obviously that makes it not GBA somehow. But that makes 0 sense and the only reason I said "us" was because I was reported for the kill so clearly the guy wasn't a T and I don't feel like putting 2 sentence disclaimers on all my report responses.​

 

Tagging @Syn and his admin @scuffed water.

 

https://gyazo.com/8c76ee5000f46de9c5ebf9140dbffe16
You claim hes GBA for walking towards you while you guys are getting shot at. Damage logs clearly show him getting shot as well. I don't understand why you think he was in any way GBA. So based on this report response and damage logs I slayed you.
I don't have death scene due to an issue on my side but this should show my point perfectly.

 

just because the guy is shot doesn't automatically make his GBA go away? the guy didn't react the first time around me getting shot at so I'm not gonna take the chance of him being a traitor caught in crossfire even if he does get hit by one of the bullets.

and to reiterate (since you apparently were too lazy to read the full report) there's a whole ass section on why i said "us." so if I'd said "me" that would have made it okay and I wouldn't have been slain? ha

 

Tagging @Rice and Chicken for potential evidence given he was involved directly in this case.

 

I did not save the DS nor was I recording via streamlabs.

But I was the traitor shooting at them, way above in the tower of oldruins. I hit both and canceled shoots the other inno for simply trying to run away from being shot. That's just my pov of what happened. I have now set it to save all future death scenes to hopefully prevent this sort of report.

 

afaik the other guy wasn't shot the first time you shot at me and from what i know of the rules, running away from being shot at doesn't automatically make him not GBA. in fact, i would argue that that makes him more GBA for running away from the shots instead of acting against it. if i'd have killed rice and chicken first, there's nothing to stop me from killing the other guy since he never helped and instead ran away, something most traitors do when their t buddies are killing people in front of them.

 

you can clearly see from the screenshot posted by syn that the person who reported me wasn't actually even shot until the same second that i shot him. if you check the logs, you'll be able to see that rice and chicken was shooting seconds before the guy was actually hit, so i had absolutely no way of knowing if he was inno or not and the fact that he didn't react to the shots and kept running towards me surely makes it GBA. if he were really trying to get away, in my opinion, he would have ran the opposite direction (which would have caused him to not be shot by me or rice and chicken)

 

hey there canceled, I’ve seen this report and will respond with a verdict hopefully some time tomorrow.

 

Alrighty so unfortunately, with the very limited evidence and resources provided by the staff involved it is tricky to get an accurate ruling on this report from my end. By the way that the three of you have explained the situation, rice was shooting at canceled initially, (per canceled's word), then rice shot both sidewalk and canceled, with canceled shooting sidewalk shortly after. Without shotlogs or a deathscene, it is hard to confirm or deny what is true, so im going to have to work with what the both of you have described.

6. GUILT BY ASSOCIATION (GBA)
1. A player is GBA if they are found to be WITNESSING or able to witness another player commit a traitorous act and not attempting to take action against said players by calling them out or attacking them, as long as the situation gives them a reasonable opportunity to react.
2. The victim of a traitorous act cannot be considered GBA

From what you have described , both in your report response and in further detail on here, nowhere did you mention that sidewalk witnessed the T-act being committed, which is the only instance where he would be GBA. You could make the argument that he had the "ability to witness" the T-act, but that still would require a "reasonable opportunity to react", which you did not at all give him. For the outcome of the RDM report itself, I agree that a slay is deserving. However, that was not my moderators reasoning, so I will elaborate on that in itself.

What you just described is killing someone for GBA to something they were a victim to, which according to sub-ruling number 2, is RDM. In this case, Syn's reason for slaying you was that sidewalk was included in the T-act you killed him for would be correct. However, you did claim that you were being shot previous to that, which cannot be confirmed or denied without a deathscene or shot logs. In that case, Syn should have investigated the original gunfire you were referencing to previous to sidewalk being shot, which it appears he did not.

Overall, it appears that Syn got the correct verdict on the report with wrong reason. This RDM report all boils down to whether or not sidewalk witnessed the T-act, which by your description he seemingly did not. This entire situation was not handled well as there was zero evidence pertaining to the report other than the RDM report itself, and Syn's reason to slay you was not adequate with the argument you have made. Both of these things will be reviewed with my Moderator and Im sure wont be a problem in the future. If you have any other questions start a conversation with me on the forums or shoot me a PM on discord. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Report: Completed