Completed Report against Makuzi

Discussion in 'TTT Staff/Player Reports' started by DisCHQ, Jun 10, 2020.

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  1. DisCHQ

    DisCHQ Member

    Name of Staff/Player:
    Makuzi
    Steam ID of Staff/Player:
    STEAM_0:1:42375701
    Your Steam ID:
    STEAM_0:0:20907418
    Which Server:
    Vanilla
    Which Map:
    ttt_jondome
    Which Round:
    round 2
    Time of Occurence:
    04:30 server time
    Reason For Report:
    I am standing on a sniper spot, as I get shot in the back by a traitor. Now as I am getting shot at I see Gulp, standing behind the T that is trying to kill me doing nothing at all.

    I proceed to shoot him for GBA for refusing to attack the currently attacking traitor.

    Now I was slain for this which I do believe to not be quite right.​
    Evidence And/Or Witnesses:
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  2. Makuzi

    Makuzi Now we all pray blood stains wash away VIP Silver

    I've seen this, I will reply with my evidence.
     
  3. Coinston

    Coinston "But what if Robots" - Chris Wedge VIP

    Also gonna tag @Voca, Makuzis admin
     
  4. Voca

    Voca o.o Administrator VIP

    Have seen this and will wait for Makuzi's response
     
  5. Makuzi

    Makuzi Now we all pray blood stains wash away VIP Silver

    Hello DisCHQ. Sorry for not presenting my evidence right away like the other report, I passed out before getting to your evidence to share with us all.

    Here, we have a situation that went on rather quickly within a few seconds of it happening. You claimed GBA in the report when the person you killed was near while the T was shooting at you.

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    What actually went on, Rapid started shooting at you as the inno was unaware of the shooting at the beginning (screenshot you provided shows that Fear told you about how GBA works). They turned around when it was already going on, and if anything, the player could have killed both of you if they had the time to. While the T is still alive, and within a few seconds of the T shooting, you start shooting at the unaware inno before trying to kill the Traitor. I understand that in your situation, it seemed like GBA, but the player did not see the initial T act happen.

    I will leave @Voca to make his verdict.
     
  6. Voca

    Voca o.o Administrator VIP

    Sorry for not getting back to this earlier, I forgot about it while dealing with other forum stuff o.o

    Now lets get into it.

    This is the first point under the GBA rules in the extended rules (and the only point important to this case):
    "1. A player is GBA if they are found to be witnessing or able to witness another player commit a traitorous act and not attempting to take action against said players by calling them out or attacking them, as long as the situation gives them a reasonable opportunity to react."

    I have highlighted the part of the rule that is important to notice. I will get back to the rule in a bit.

    For easier explanation when talking about the deathscene Green is the guy you killed, Blue is the guy that shot you, and Red is you.

    So as we see in the deathscene, Blue opens fire at you, Green does not imediately notice them shooting, he then turns to see that Blue is shooting, but shooting in itself is not a T act, so he doesnt witness a T act at first, if he had acted on the shooting, it would have been RDM as he was not aware if they were shooting at a player or not. At that given time 2 of the 3 seconds had already passed, during the last second he gets behind Blue, at an angle where he can see that Blue, is actally shooting at you. But before he has a chance to react to Blue shooting you (not to mention that you at this point is hiding behind cover in a spot where you can barely be noticed by Green) You shoot him in the face within the last second, before he could react to the T-act that he now witnessed.

    So in the end I would agree with my Moderator on the slay given.
    As you in the situation, didnt give the player a reasonable time or opportunity to react to a T act that they technically first witnessed within the last second before you killed them instead of killing the guy that was actually shooting you.

    Based on this, I will be marking this report against @Makuzi
    Invalid, as it is an iffy situation, but he judged it well in my opinion.

    Any questions or concerns about the verdict, feel free to hit me up with a message on forums or Discord c:
    Have a Nice day ouo)/
     
  7. Jabba the Slut

    Jabba the Slut That's Kinky! Lead Admin VIP Silver

    Hello,

    I have read over this report and have decided that it has received an incorrect conclusion.

    First, let's break down the meat of Makuzi's response.
    The first highlighted part I'll get into in the next section. First we'll talk about the last line there. The way we staff handle GBA cases is that if the "Victim" of a report can turn 360 degrees and witness the Traitorous Act, they can be considered Guilty By Association. Bearing this in mind, Gulp could have witnessed the traitorous act of RapidMac shooting DiscHQ.

    As for time, I firmly believe he had plenty of time to react to the situation he was in. TTT is a fast-paced game, and these scenarios play out all the time, even in my own gameplay. As such, I entirely disagree with the conclusion set by Voca.

    Gulp saw RapidMac shooting DiscHQ, and had enough time to react to it as well.

    DiscHQ made a valid kill, and should not have been slain.

    I will be marking this report as Valid against Makuzi, and a slay will be issued to him when I am next on for the False Slay.

    Thank you for reporting.
     
  8. Voca

    Voca o.o Administrator VIP

    I will be taking the slay in the stead of my Moderator. I will not stand by and let you slay my mod for a slay that I still stand by and disagree with you on ^^

    If anyone will be taking a slay for your verdict it shall be me
     
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