Completed Report against Jabba

Name of Staff/Player:

Jabba​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

Forum​

Your Steam ID:

Forum​

Which Server:

West 1​

Which Map:

Jabba​

Which Round:

Jabba​

Time of Occurence:

Jabba​

Reason For Report:

Just want​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

Just want highwons opinion on how targeted slurs work; just got a warning point for calling my friend nilz a faggot even though he gave me permission prior/doesn’t take offense.
Really dumb that I can say round up the niggers and light them up and fire them up and cook them up and eat them up but I can’t say “yo look at my cute faggot friend nilz”​

 

Nilz didn’t take offense though, note take that into the equation thanks highwon

 

https://prnt.sc/s9ih8b

 

https://prnt.sc/s9ijnc

 

my comment was an inside joke with nilz/parody by the way, you missed the context severely

 

https://www.seriousgmod.com/threads/you-gay-word.52810/

Paci be lead at the time of this Q&A answer, this ruling has already been made. You can't feel harassed for other users in this particular instance.
Why we wanna change more shit Jabba?

 

Also from another former lead (albeit before his lead promotion, was only admin at the time)



https://discordapp.com/channels/351414128843161613/415328605694853140/599779082695213079 <--- click to open up that shoutbox in discord and read it for yourself

Doesn't say it in the rules, but SGM works kinda like a court system and this is how the job is meant to be done. The ruling has already been made on this issue.

Sorry for double posting, just found that bit too and had to add it in to make some new relevant information totally clear and on the table for whomever concludes the report.

 

I decided to do an inside joke with a friend like the other people did. Sorry you msised the context

 

Doesn’t change the fact that you are going out of your way to feel harassed for a user who has stated how he does not feel harassed by winks comments. In order for a harassment punishment to be handed out... someone has to be harassed, and since that didn’t happen, you’re in the wrong. Your admin discretion doesn’t enable you to overwrite the rules - you can’t just feel harassed for someone who has stated that they do not care.

Since we’re overreaching into the slurs territory that involves Highwon’s removal of the slurs rule in the first place, I’d like to hear what he thinks.

 

Yall are throwing my name out a lot here. I DON'T APPRECIATE IT!

I actually responded the same kind of thing on the recent QNA but my post was deleted. If the administration wants to feel offended on other's behalf than that is totally fine. This was something we use to do all the time when people said the N word. We were banning someone for a word regardless if anyone was actually offended. In the past we have also taken the stance that someone actually has to be offended for it to be harassment, in which this case is basically clear cut from a staff member's perspective: nilz said he felt harassed. Even if he was joking, or contradicted himself later, Jabba couldn't take that risk and dealt with the situation in an unbiased way. wink called nilz a faggot, nilz said he was offended, jabba warned him.

Basically, both ways have been done in the past. I would like it if there was some concrete stance from the current lead administration concerning this. Also, just as a personal aside, why the fuck do you people get off on quoting old lead admins? We aren't in charge anymore. Our stances have little to no say. The new leads can ultimately just ignore that shit and do whatever they want. Anyways, I just wanted to clarify some shit as I dislike it when people build an argument that I am supposedly in favor of. BYE!

 

jabba warned before nilz said if he was offended or not

 

https://www.seriousgmod.com/threads...ey-take-offense-harassment.55459/#post-585847

In this report, a player took offense to directly being called a retard (by a player who has a huge history in the community of trouble making) whilst no official warning was given for the instance of harassment itself, whilst in this report I was given an offical warning for calling my friend a faggot even though he didn't take offense, with the justification being given "you'd be told he you'd be warned if he didnt take offense, it's how it works".

Jabba went into this knowing nilz wouldn't take offense and acted knowingly on the context he's provided that I'm essentially getting in trouble for saying the word faggot towards a member of the community who couldn't care less. Why enable us to say such things and then slap us down when we say such things towards a fellow community member as a joke?

 

I mean to be fair, indy did report me on behalf of you and another staff member in an attempt to get me banned

Although I am not arguing the ruling on the report I made, just stating there may be past history behind it

 

This implies you had context the "victim" did not feel harassed in anyway, shape or form before initiating a warning point via discretion on me. You could take the "I was playing with fire and got burnt" stance, but you should also acknowledge the fact you knew the fact he had a high probability of not being harassed when you went ahead and assigned me the warning point for:

"Your post breaks forum rule #3, "No Harassment". We do not allow disrespectful behavior towards other members of the community, nor do we allow harassing other users for any reason.
Your message may have been removed or altered by a staff member, as required."

Assuming this falls under the disrespectful tidbit here, how could I disrespect someone you knew probably didn't feel disrespected/insulted with the context you had?