This was a first that happened to me a few days ago, it's a very rare situation. You start the round as a D and notice another afk D close by. Standing at a distance and watching for T to kill him, the D gets put into spectator mode from being afk too long. You know he did not buy anything from credit shop cause he did not move a inch (and got put into spec mode). Person A walks up, ID's, then I walk up and check the body. The D has no credits and I know 100% that the checker is a T. He is the only one around to check the body. Can you kill on that? I just followed person A around, he took me into a secluded area and tried to shoot me so I killed him that way.
So a Detective is AFK with credits, and one person I.D's him and the credits are gone? If that is the case then it should not be KOSable. Correct me if I am wrong.
This is the type of thing you would want recorded XD. In this incredibly specific situation I would say since the logic is 100% sound so it would not be rdm in THIS situation, as you described it. Edit: Since you can buy a health station and they do not drop when they die there is no way to 100% discern if he had a credit. I was incorrect in my first post.
http://www.seriousttt.com/threads/rule-clarification.10739/ @Event Horizon @POPSTAR @MangoTango i believe can break this down for you.
I am sorry that it took me a while to respond to this; my alerts must have glitched and I didn't notice until @Mr Butters asked for my response. Anyway, getting started, let me start by saying in this situation, what you did was not RDM. You did the proper thing by having suspicion on them, but not acting on what some may call "common sense." The reason that we cannot kill for that immediately is because you cannot determine if the detective used his credits or not; there are specific items he could have purchased before getting moved to AFK due to reasons previously stated in this thread. This is a scenario when it is completely fine to have incredibly high suspicion on them, but because there are ways to spend credits without appearing to have spent them, you cannot act on the witnessed event. In closing, just keep acting on it the way that you did in your mentioned scenario and thank you for bring such a question to the forums!
Players get moved to AFK exactly 3 minutes after being idle (that means no keys pressed in-game and no mouse movement in-game). If the round starts at 5 minutes and the detective gets moved to spec at exactly 2 minutes, you can actually be 100% sure he did not do anything that round.
But just because only 1 person actually checked the body does not mean that a traitor did not walk over or extremely close using the alt+E function.
The time added to haste mode doesnt show up to anyone but traitors, so when the timer hits 2 minutes and the detective gets moved to spec, you can be 100% sure.
We're assuming in this case that he knows 100% for certain that nobody else walked up to the body as he watched it the entire time.
Doesn't matter how sure you are that they have not spent credits, I would consider killing for that as RDM. There are many logical situations where you would absolutely know that someone is a T, it doesn't mean that you can kill them right away. Having high suspicion on them is fine, but you cannot kill based on those observations no matter how sure you are. One of the only times I would ever T-bait is in a situation like this. If I'm sure they are a T, I would shoot near them and bait them to try to shoot me, where I can THEN kill them. That's where the name essentially comes from.
Sure, I'll be on board ONLY if all the variable are verified. This means I wouldn't slay if the following things are verified. Checked the exact time of death of the afk detective through the logs, and that it was at exactly 3 minutes into the round. Checked that the afk detective had not bought anything at all from the detective shop. Checked to see that the person who killed him for this reason was also a detective. I guess if the variables are this specific, I'd be on board since I wouldn't get anyone else trying to sell me the same story and possibly getting away with killing on suspicion.
The built in AFK script will move you to spec after exactly 3 minutes of completely idle behavior. This means: The mouse has not been moved at all. The keyboard has not been pressed on. This means that, with our 5 minutes timer (4 min on some of our servers), if the detective gets moved to spec at exactly 2 minutes (1 min), that NOTHING happened all round with that detective. Not even buying anything. I'm pretty sure even if you sit in the pointshop buying lotto tickets or something, it still won't move you to spectate. It's entirely possible to watch the body from the time of its death to the time of checking. If more than 1 person walks near the body then you can't be sure who the credits were taken by. Go ahead and kill them for not IDing it if it's still unchecked. If only one person goes near the body, and checks it, then you can go check the body. And those 3 things you mentioned aren't all that difficult in the logs to check for. Yup, simply scroll to 3 minutes into the round and see if: something/world has killed XXXX [Detective] and also scroll up in chat and look for an automated spectate message. Simply peruse the logs, sorted by event type, to see if XXXX [Detective] bought anything The last one is a no brainer. Is YYYY a detective? If not, it's RDM. If so, and given everything stated above, it's not. Of course the detective would have a lot of explaining to do, but if I was given a rundown of the entire situation, I would not consider it RDM if the above is true. Edit: Plus this situation is way too specific for anyone to be able to use it as an excuse for RDM, lol.
What if you were looking at the body, and the body says Unidentified Body. Then it tells you he has credits Then player A walks up to him and ID's it and the credits are gone. I think that's what OP means.
