Yes or No? I've always been told, once someone is KOSed it is irreversable. If it is reversable, what happens if you don't hear the player that called the KOS in the first place say "nevermind, don't kos him"
You can revoke a KOS, but it is always there. The simple concept of "anything you put out on the internet, will always technically be there; stored on people's computers and storage devices." You can be slain for a KOS if it leads to you. So can you literally take back a KOS? Yes. However, can you be blamed if you get slain/killed for a KOS you recalled? Yes.
This I agree with. Would you slay the player that killed the KOSed player after the player that called it say "nevermind"?
KOS', in theory, are supposed to be solid. You call it if you see someone do something traitorous, there is never a reason to recall it unless you made a mistake. And if you did make a mistake, then you are to be punished for it. I would slay based on discretion.
The rule of thumb I follow, is if the player says in chat - clearly - a couple times that they revoked it, then it's on the head of the person who didn't notice it. Something like "KoS ThePepper!" and then "Nevermind" isn't good enough. "Nevermind about my KoS" may work, or "I revoke my KoS on ThePepper", or "I accidentally KoS'd ThePepper, don't KoS him" work best. Also, voice chat isn't a good route to take.
I take back a KOS all the time as long as its done explicitly (where there are multiple witnesses) and I make sure to write it out if I have time. Ive never been slain if this was the case, yet people didn't pay attention and killed someone mistakenly
What POP STAR stated is the rule that I follow with KOS's. If a player calls a KOS, takes it back, and it still results in the players death, it is considered RDM.
This is going to be a problem with trolls if we consider all KOSes final no matter what. As we know the automated "so and so is a traitor!" bind isn't exactly the most accurate with who it picks to call. Earlier today a detective was trying to call out a T but the radio bind targeted an inno. He immediately took it back, stating it was not a KOS both in voice and typed, and yet Dark Paradox still deliberately killed the inno, despite having seen the recall on the KOS, with the reasoning "too late, you called it". If we allow this rule to stand as stated by Mango, no one would ever dare use the radio bind when a T is near anyone else, which'll give the T's a huge advantage.
Well, this is where it's case by case. If someone shows acknowledgement of the KOS being called and of it being called off, then I would sky's the person that acknowledged the calling off of the KOS. The situation where I would slay the person who called it would be if the killing player was next to them and immediately killed them as they were calling it off or the killing player did not hear or see the KOS being called off. If they show acknowledgement to troll, then they should be punished.
So how about we put a fix action into place? Set phraseology for revoking/removing a KOS. Put rules in place to support the new change. As it seems now, there is a lot of grey area surrounding this rule. Set a definite ruling and stick with it. I don't agree with leaving it up to the "best judgement" of the moderators. Most of the time they are so far off from eachother, that players get confused on the rules. Also a lot of the moderators are unable to make a good judgement on what exactly happened, especially when there are multiple RDM reports open. In the case of Dark paradox, I was in the round but only half witness. I remember a player "Cuba" getting KOSed, so I put on the horse blinders and began to hunt. Then I hear that Dark Paradox got him, and shortly after hear Dark in an argument with TSU about Cuba being KOSed. Apparenty the D that KOSed him tried to remove it several times, I didn't catch that becuase I was too zoned in. Dark may have had trollish intentions, but what if I was the one that got to him first? Would I have been slain because I wasn't paying enough attention? What would Tsu have to help in the judgement of this situation? An attentionmeter :roll:
In the above case, Dark himself admitted to seeing the call off of the KOS, but then said "oh well you still called it first" and murdered the inno. He didn't try to claim he never saw the call off. He DID try to claim that he shot the player before seeing the KOS called off, but since we have times in the damage logs, I knew this was false.
