As some of you probably know, I have been playing TTT for almost 2 years now. I have also created a guide on TTT showing the Tips and Tricks for each class, Weapon Statistics and when to use them, Common Traitorous Behavior, and more. That said, I know when someone is hiding something, when to shoot, and when to hold off. On this server, I have noticed a couple rules that seem a bit odd to me, but I will get to that in a bit. Earlier today, I was slain for killing someone who lied to me about their weapon. Let me explain: I was walking around and I heard funfire from a shotgun, and a death scream. I know I heard these so I went to check it out. Meanwhile, someone comes around the corner with a pistol. I ask him, "What's your primary?" No response. "Show me your primary weapon" I tell him again. He says he doesn't have one. I call bullshit and throw my weapon at him. The weapon goes straight through him like he was not there. Switching to my deagle, I headshot him and kill him instantly and he drops a shotgun. Coincidence? He then reports me for RDM. I understand that, unfortunately, you cannot kill on suspicion. Also, you cannot kill on weapon choice. Still, I can put suspicion on them for their weapon choice, especially if I hear a report of their gun following a scream. Also, from him walking away from where I heard the shot is also suspicious. When I confronted him about his gun, he lied to me (in which I disproved his statement very quickly. Refer back to the senario) and that is when I shot him. See, the rule forbids all players to kill off of weapon choice, and I was slain for doing just that, although I had 3 reasons to kill him; 1) Walked away from gunfire, 2) Lied about his weapon choice, and 3) He was previously called out as suspicious. Note that I did not kill him for having a shotgun, as I didn't see a shotgun; he did not show it to me. But he lied about having no primary. As an innocent, you want to gain the trust of others so that you are not called out for something you didn't do. Lying just hinders that primary goal. Therefore, I figured him to be a T because he lied to me -- anyone would do the same. With all of the backstory out of the way, you guys now understand how I came up with this suggestion. Since I was slain, I went into the rules for the round and read them once again and dissected each one of them. As a way of completely understanding the rules, I try to find loopholes. For example, the Weapon Choice rule does not include lying about a weapon. Now, finally, the point of this thread - I have found a couple rules that seem to be unfair to the way TTT was meant to be played. Seriously, I have been playing TTT for 2 years and I found that most of the RDM rules discourage certain (effective) methods of finding traitors. It seems unfair that the Traitors have rules that protect them by discouraging the innocents for shooting someone with a Mac10 then stating "You can't kill me for my weapon choice." Some of these rules include killing people for following you, killing for body trapping, killing on high suspicion, etc. Here's why I think they should be changed: Killing someone for following you is a tough decision. They could be waiting for the right moment to kill, but they could also be sticking with someone they genuinely trust to be innocent. Either way, it's a tough call to see if they are a traitor or not. That's why you give them 3 warnings. Traitors will keep following you, and innocents will probably not because they don't want to be stupid and die like that. Simple. It should not be a rule because 3 warnings should give traitors enough time to stop following somebody. It's not unfair to kill someone for following you as long as you give them a chance to stop, just like police officers give you a chance to drop your weapon before opening fire. It's not RDM because you have a reason to kill them - They were following you. You can justify your reason for killing them stating that you gave them 3 chances. Now, on to killing people for body trapping you. Should I say more? Why would innocents body trap someone? It would not be in their best interest to do so; Not only are they sitting ducks, but this destroys the trust of the victim they trap, something you try to earn in order to stay alive. Trapping someone also can cause them to get shot, just as much as it can happen to the person trapping them. Why should you rely on an admin to teleport you out of a dangerous situation? And, what if the person trapping you has a plan to kill you? By teleporting out of there, you have destroyed their chances of killing you, assuming they were a traitor. How fair is that? Now, it's a lose-lose situation; A traitor cannot be killed for trapping you, but if you teleport away, then his victim is gone. Another point is that I have not seen active staff on Vanilla. You can't teleport without staff online, so if you get trapped you might as well just type kill in console because you have no chance. Killing on suspicion is a complicated situation. On one hand, you kill them for being suspicious, and you have a reason for that (Does not qualify as being Random). On another, it could be a very illogical reason that can give a person an unfair, one sided death that does not allow an explanation. Although killing someone on suspicion may seem unfair, it is also a good way to spot and kill a traitor. Now, I understand that you don't want to kill someone on light suspicion that someone else has, because suspicion should not be treated as a KOS; they are two very different things. However, suspicion does play a vital role in finding out who the traitors are. For example, and we do this all the time, we hear gunfire and we shoot the first person we see closest to an unidentified body. Sure, we might have seen this person shooting, but who's to say that he was shooting an innocent? We always jump to conclusions - It's human nature. We profile people and see whether or not they are reliable. It's a great instinct and I think that we should consider trying to follow that instinct. And traitors, well, don't act so suspicious! Well, thank you a lot for your time in reading, if you got this far. I would like to see your comments and beliefs on the subject. I couldn't find a topic that directly related to my situation, so I made my own little rant on here. Mind you, I am not mad that I have been slain; all that getting slain did was give me a realization and I had to put it on the forums What do you think? What are some rules that you agree/disagree with? Do you agree with me? I'm very open minded, so tell me anything you want.
All irrelevant because this community has custom gun stats and tactics and upgrades, this is your first post yet you are acting like some expert. What if he hadn't killed the guy? What if someone teleported and that guy walked in? You had 0 proof it was him. No it's not, there is never a reason to kill for following. This is a video game, don't compare it to real life. An accident? Lag? Trying to get through a door way. The example you gave is not killing on suspicion. Everyones idea of suspicion is different, if we allow suspicion then people will kill for any and everything. TL : DR - Everything you've said has been wrong and you have no plausible reason to change the rules, also none of this will be changed.
As a traitor, I trapped over 5 people in a room until a C4 I planted went off. They could not kill me for any reason because it's against the rules. That rule should be modified a bit, because it can be abused to the Traitor's advantage. Also, I have not noticed anything different about the weapons
If you're trapping them with your body and they're aware the C4's near them, they can kill you so they can get away from the C4.
If you do trap people in a room and it's apparent that a C4 is present and can kill you and others in the vicinity then you can be killed for it. I believe that's in the extended rules. EDIT: Ninja'd by copilot
I can kill you for not choosing to defuse that C4, falls under "Hiding T equipment". Also you can be killed for blocking by putting someones life in danger, and 75% of the community would have killed you for that.
I think you should look through this post before creating suggestions. We are very reasonable community and we give everyone a fair shot. The players that have been here for a while know what they can and can't kill a person for; they've thought through possibilities that could happen that wouldn't mean a person is a traitor. Like in your instance, you never saw a body or even mentioned one being identified. Traitor's have radios and the player you killed could have been looking for the body just like you. He may not have wanted to switch to his primary because he was out of ammo. For all he knows, you just killed the guy and want to kill him too. Instead of looking at what's wrong with our rules that have been around the TTT community as long as you say you have, consider ous rules as something different you are going to have to get used to if you don't want to get slain. -2 year Serious TTT veteran. Former Admin of this community. Created guides for both staff and the community here. See? You're not the only one with a background to brag about.
You know what I love in community's? When they put in stupid rules that are arbitrary and there is no way to quantify them. Honestly I love getting killed for the stupidest shit! Who doesn't love getting killed for no reason at all. Story Time *15 seconds into the round* Bill Cosby: Hey Mangotango did you just wink at me MangoTango: No I was looking at Pewdiepie, he was planting a C4 Bill Cosby: Oh that must mean he is a traitor, lets go kill him! *Mango kills Pewdiepie* Spoiler: What it Looked Like *4 minutes later* Bill Cosby: Mango I'm sorry but its overtime and there are still traitors out there. Mango: Sorry about what? Bill Cosby: *flashback* at the 15 second mark you winked at me *end flashback* and that's suspicious so Mango: No you don't have to do this..... *Bill Cosby dessert eagles mango* *Mango reports Bill for Rdm* *Bill responds with I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody.* *fin* That is why nothing you said here will be implemented With Love, Darth West
