Completed Report against Night

@Titan as Night's admin.

 

Ditto. I'll wait for Night to present his stuff proper, even though he already somewhat did that in the Q&A.

 

Okayy,

So this is going to be a learning experience. Going through the evidence presented here, I think that while you deserve a slay, the report was still mishandled.

I'm just going to cover the in-game report first: While your report response was unclear, it seems that you are suggesting that you knew for certain either that 1) veL through the prop at you or 2) 100% witnessed someone else throwing the prop at you. In other words, it seems like you were suggesting a common sense GBA kill.

First, let's look at the criteria for a valid GBA kill:

Spoiler: GBA Rule

There's very important key wording in there: "if they are found to be witnessing or able to witness another player commit a traitorous act."

Since you did not see who threw the prop at you, nor were you able to see who directly witnessed the throwing of the prop, this GBA criteria was not met.


Now, there is an arguement to be had that it's common sense, because no matter where the prop could have come from, veL probably would have seen or, or at least been able to see it. This is common sense, so let's have a refresher there:

Spoiler: Common Sense Rules

The key wording here is "with 100% certainty prove that a player is a traitor, or that they have committed a traitorous act."

While it may be likely that veL was able to witness in a 360° view the prop throw, you can not say for 100% certain. There are many corners, many nooks and crannies, entrances and exits, and more in that part of life the roof. (not to mention a t-room.) What if someone had thrown the prop around a corner? What if they simply threw the prop from a place that veL was not able to see at the time that the prop was thrown?

It may seem like nitpicking to throw out these scenarios given it's clearly not what happened in hindsight. But there's a reason I included the examples in the spoiler, and there is a reason that they are so specific. They are written that way so that in these scenarios, you, without a single possible doubt, know for a fact that a player committed a traitorous act.

This, combined with the fact that you had your back entirely turned, and took a second or so to spin around and actually look around, means that this common sense criteria was not met.

There's an additional third, smaller caveat, which is even if you were able to prove with 100% certainty that veL did indeed witness a t-act, you are leaving out a very important part of the GBA criteria which is "as long as the situation gives them a reasonable opportunity to react." What if, for example, PrimeHD threw the prop and immediately dipped around the corner? Or perhaps if an unknown third party threw the prop and teleported away? Sure, veL may have witnessed the kill, but they also would not have had reasonable opportunity to react before they would be teleported away/behind a wall. Therefore, the criteria for GBA would once again not be met.

Due to the fact that neither important criteria was met, the report was a valid report, and thus you should have been slain. And you were. But this is not the path that Night took.



Onto the second part, Night's handling of the report:

Looking at your initial report response, while an albeit confusing response, I think that it's reasonable that your response covers the base of GBA, seemingly insinuating that you knew that either vel witnessed the prop throw, or was the thrower himself. This is the first error that Night committed, and Night wrote this himself:

This misunderstanding of the initial response bled into Night's question to the admins. While this didn't really affect the report conclusion, it's still notable. Spiteful answered a different question than what the scenario was. Night also mentioned this in his response here:

Tying into the last point, Night also admittedly missed the fact that you were indeed damaged by the prop. Sometimes prop damage doesn't show up in logs, but you can see in the death scene you took enough damage to bring your health down from healthy to wounded. This also didn't really affect the report conclusion, but also worth noting.

The final thing Night admittedly could've handled better was the conversation you started in the forums. While sure, the staff is supposed to be receptive, nobody in the world can say they've never forgotten about something. I know I can be particularly bad about forgetting to respond to people, and especially given the fact that the convo was in an unusual medium (forum conversation), I don't really blame Night all that much here.


I've reached out to Night and had a bit of a discussion to advise him to among other things 1) ensure that he gets a clarification on report wordings if they are confusing, and 2) to slow down the deathscenes so that important information (such as prop damage) is not missed. That said, while you did deserve a slay, this leaves the report valid.

If you've got any questions or concerns regarding this report or any of my moderators, feel free to reach out to me on discord, Titan#4581. Cheers.