Change Protocol regarding F-spec and how to deal with AFKs. Specifically, H3ll4flush

TomCat why do you need to write a book when you could've just wrote 2 sentences and the message would've been clearer. But move AFK players to a dead server and if they rejoin a populated one just to AFK just ban them for an hour

 

tldr pls
i aint reading all of that

 

Then do something about it, theres a staff team for this...

You're a former lead and here you're talking like some brand new mod "oh gee how could we possibly solve this" ffs dude put on your admin underwear for 5 seconds and think of a solution or acknowledge the most basic: if a player is afk 2-3 rounds in a row, they're fspeced.

Oh no a player is doing something the staff doesn't like, guess we're hopeless????? Its not a script it's likely an alias or autoexec config but whatever it is ADMINS+ CAN SAY STOP IT AND ENFORCE IT.

I use a python script to join the server, once ingame I just ill spec mode with an auto exec config.



sounds like hellaflush is using aliases or other methods to remove their spec mode, get a fucking admin+ to say stop it and put it on admin notes, same with vel, same with anyone else. If you cannot pointfarm respectively to the other players on the server, you can just not pointfarm.

 

Cuz I have deep-set psychological insecurities that tell me if I leave even the slightest detail open or unclarified that it will be focused on and utilized to tear apart whatever it is I am speaking about, even if it is completely or mostly irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Which I know is irrational to the degree that I act upon it, especially online, but it does happen enough on the internet that I still get anxious if I leave something unclear.

That, and I kind of enjoy writing/typing about issues that I have even mild interest in.

 

-People are AFK a lot, enough that it makes people leave in meaningful numbers
-H3ll4flush is the worst culprit, but the fault isn't really with him (It's allowed)
-Staff don't do anything meaningfully about it
-Literally everyone knows its a problem
-Why don't we fix this.

 

So you have a player avoiding moderator / staff actions, and you haven't already escalated to a higher staff member?

 

Not really sure I understand this thread, I'm a little lost. Anyway if I notice some is AFK I'll send them 2 PMs, asking them to move/respond to the PM. If they don't I'll fspec them. I've only had to deal with one player (not H3lla) who would become unspec themselves and AFK a round or two later. Nothing really had to be done.

Are we talking about if we fspec someone and they repeatedly unspec themselves and AFK?

 

Because I genuinely don't know how what we players are supposed to suggest.
This isn't the first time this issue has been brought up, by me or other people, and the solutions offered before were shut down hard by staff. I don't remember specifics well anymore, but I think my old solution was to just kick/ban people for forcing themselves into matches while clearly AFK. You guys rejected that, so the only real thing we can do is ask for the staff to 'do more'.

What are we supposed to suggest? The only thing I know how to do is drive home exactly what the problem is, how extensive the problem is, so you can finally do something about it.

 

Interesting

 

AFKs in general. No offense, but I don't see you on very often, so I wouldn't expect you to fully grasp this issue outright, but AFKs are an irregular nuisance that destroy the server when they aren't dealt with.
The most effective solution is to kick people and ban them for repeat offenses, but that has already been rejected.
The least intrusive solution is likely to forgo the warnings and just f-spec anyone that is AFK. Yes, people will lose rounds that way, but again- One person's time, vs the entire server's time. Just clarify in the rules that you can be F-speced at any time for being AFK, and the problem is solved (Maybe also clarify how to unspectate yourself- Maybe even add an auto-binding to the menus if it is not there already)
And you can argue that auto-spectate solves this issue, but anyone who has played this game can tell you how unreliable it is, and how many minutes it can take to take effect. Get the right people on the server, and it will never happen because these people will just cap the AFK player before aut0-spectate is ever effective- Even if that means a slay. That's how much of an issue it is, people will risk lose their own rounds so everyone doesn't have to wait.


If you still don't understand, just look at it from the following perspective:
As a fact, AFK people are an issue.
As a fact, our current rules, regulations, and systems are not enough to deal with AFK people.
How do you solve the issue with AFK people?

 

Okay let's settle down there buddy, no need to be condescending. All I was asking was what exactly tomcat was suggesting. When you say "make it mandatory for mods" I want to know what specifics he is looking for before I go agreeing to something random.

If he means "allow moderators to fspec people who are afk without needing them being the last T" than I would agree. Most afk's are caught in the auto fspec script, but for those that aren't we could definitely speed up the process if we notice they are afk for more than a round or two.

 

Which is why we need to change protocol. AFK players are a major detriment to the fun of everyone, and staff can't reasonably be expected to send multiple warnings to an AFK person before F-speccing them, especially when their business means that they won't notice the AFK player until that player has gotten well on everyone's nerves and is a source of complaint.

 

Staff team: This is a consistent problem, I play like 3 hours a week and I've noticed issues with players not getting fspeced every time. Maybe because ya'll are fine dying early or even suiciding because you have reports, but players who are going for actual round wins are having their experience hurt.

Ya'll discussing me in all your secret channels like I'm out to get you, ffs just focus on the player experience.

 

But when, and how?
Hella has been doing this for so long that it is literally a community meme at this point, with no apparent punishment. Is this ever going to be dealt with? Because the way it's seemed for the last month is that staff keep saying "oh yeah, this stuff is punishable, don't worry" with no actual punishment being executed.

 

No its the staff team like "its punishable, we fspeced hella!" then 5 seconds later "oh he went back to regular mode, guess he's a loopholing god #unbannable"

like wat, admins have discretion and if this was a grey area a lead could make it a community clarified thing within a week.

 

We were trying, but then you decided to come in here and start trouble. Literally nobody in this thread is disagreeing with you, yet for some reason you have come off as combative as humanly possible.

Hellaflush was already warned, but his is an edge case more so than anything. The bottom line is what to do about it. I would suggest just allowing staff members to fspec afk players after a round, and then if we have to keep fspecing players they be removed from the server or warned/banned if it got really bad.