Invalid Report against mrunknownshadow

Discussion in 'TTT Staff/Player Reports' started by DisCHQ, Aug 18, 2020.

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  1. DisCHQ

    DisCHQ Member

    Name of Staff/Player:
    mrunknownshadow
    Steam ID of Staff/Player:
    STEAM_0:1:121860842
    Your Steam ID:
    STEAM_0:0:20907418
    Which Server:
    Vanilla
    Which Map:
    Nuketown
    Which Round:
    second to last (unsure).
    Time of Occurence:
    01:00 pm approx
    Reason For Report:
    Falsely slain.

    It was near the end of the round with only a couple of people left alive. I check the scoreboard to see who is alive and who is dead.

    I see that the only unconfirmed people left are 2 players. Now one of them due to math is traitor. I look around and I can see one of the two. I then proceed to hear someone get shot below me. (As I am looking at one of the unconfirmed people.)

    I therefor conclude that the person I cant see has to be the traitor. I see him come out where the shooting took place and I kill him.

    Since they are the only 2 unconfirmed left I believe to be in the right here.

    (The only MIA there was was a dead T in the T-room who was known to be dead.)​
    Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

     
  2. Shadow™

    Shadow™ What it do Shortyyyy™ VIP

    I've seen this and Imma gather my evidence tagging @Irish as he is my admin.
     
  3. Shadow™

    Shadow™ What it do Shortyyyy™ VIP

    Alright lets get into this.

    So I slayed you for Kill off Sus from this report:
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    So from what you said to me in pm's, You said there were 2 unconfirmed and you heard someone fire right below you. The only problem with that is, you didn't know who died, A Detective also died but you didn't know that because the bodies were unid'd. All you heard were shots. As in the Death Scene Here:

    So from your pov, You only heard people getting shot at, but it could have been in the garage or even the 1st floor. All you saw Butt Juice do is come out of the window. The bodies were still unid'd as well so you couldn't have known who died and who didn't. > Unid:
    [​IMG]

    Here was the 2 people fighting DS:
    Also on top of that the detective: roY didnt call anyone out either:
    [​IMG]

    Even before the slay I explained to you the situation of this in pm's. Then we talked for a good 3 ish rounds before I gave you the slay, I kept telling you the situation and the explanation of the kill which was deemed Kill off Sus.

    All of this explains my slay. You didnt see who died, nor how many people* died. All you saw was him come out of the window and all you heard was shots under you. You never had LOS of the kill. Hence my slay for Kill off Sus.




    With all that in mind Imma go ahead and tag my admin @Irish to conclude the report.

     
  4. DisCHQ

    DisCHQ Member

    Do take note that the only actual MIA that was on the scoreboard was Lays who was a T and died in the T-room this was known during the round. (or at Least I knew he was dead.)

    Chicken was detective so his death doesn't matter, he could be unided but cant be traitor so is irrelevant. I am unsure who the other person was I assume also a det (I don't know if deathscene shows confirmed deaths as unided.)

    The way I see it on the scoreboard is Butt juice and Dragon are the only 2 unconfirmed people left I can see dragon as roy is killed. So I then know that but juice had to have been the one that killed him.
     
  5. Shadow™

    Shadow™ What it do Shortyyyy™ VIP

    Then tell me how you knew Roy and Dragon were killed? The bodies were unid’d. Only way to get them in death side of the scoreboard is to either id them or kill the person who killed roy and dragon. Which the last part isn’t a option because butt juice wasn’t killed. Before you only said 1 person was killed as well you didn’t know that 2 people were killed until i had mentioned it. So how do you know they both were infact killed then?
     
  6. DisCHQ

    DisCHQ Member

    Dragon was not dead I was looking at him (he was one of the unconfirmed players.) You can see this in the deathscene.

    I could hear Roy die, shotgunblast followed by ak fire followed by shotgunblast and deathscream. (Not doable with a radio btw.)

    I know Somebody killed Somebody nothing more, but by knowing it could not have been dragon that shot roy leaves me with only one person left that could have done it therefor I know who the Traitor has to be.
     
  7. Shadow™

    Shadow™ What it do Shortyyyy™ VIP

    How did you know that roy died then?
     
  8. DisCHQ

    DisCHQ Member

    Who died is not relevant...... Somebody got killed by somebody, who got killed doesn't matter. It only matters that the only one that could have done the killing was Juice.
     
  9. Spitefulvenom

    Spitefulvenom So long TTT! Administrator VIP

    Im going to lock this thread until irish has a chance to read this.
     
  10. Scooter

    Scooter Scooter#5335 VIP

  11. Lordyhgm

    Lordyhgm Spiteful smells Lead Admin VIP

    Aight I'll be having a look at this
     
  12. Lordyhgm

    Lordyhgm Spiteful smells Lead Admin VIP

    Aight so I believe common sense fails here since there are far too many possible events to be able to say with 100% certainty that Butt was a T. The two Dets could have killed each other anywhere underneath you and Butt jumped out the window without seeing any of it; if there is a single possible alternative event then common sense is voided.

    Had you hopped through window yourself then you could easily have kill Butt for unIDed but instead you had no evidence that Butt committed a T act, witnessed a T, or even that he fired his gun. For these reasons it is not a kill on common sense and rather that Shadow is correct in calling it a kill on sus. Dragon coulda been T, Chicken and roy fought in the alcove and Butt hopped through the window < that this series of events is possible and that you, in that moment, did not have sufficient evidence to dismiss it means that you did not have the 100% proof required.

    Shadow did not issue false slay, and common sense is often a difficult subject to explain adequately.

    Invalid
     
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