Completed Report against Bruno and Enyalius

Name of Staff/Player:

Bruno and Enyalius​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

STEAM_0:1:106882839 (Enyalius) STEAM_0:0:151095316 (Bruno)​

Your Steam ID:

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Which Server:

Vanilla​

Which Map:

Dolls​

Which Round:

1st or 2nd​

Time of Occurence:

4:30 est​

Reason For Report:

I killed an inno in upper vents and burned the body with no one else around. Enyalius stated he heard someone die and came into vents at least 5 seconds after the body had completely burned away. He saw the burn mark and killed me on suspicion. He then lied in his response to my report stating he "saw the body burning". Bruno failed to slay for obvious killing on suspicion and ignored my attempt to get him to explain his reasoning.​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

Instant replay capture failed though i'm sure the death scene will suffice.​

 

Player reporting is Weekend Zombi, Steam ID STEAM_0:1:25938914. Bruno is aware and gathering evidence on his end.



Logs at 13:32 PST on map ttt_mc_dolls_v3, April 6th, round 2

 

I have seen this and i will respond with evidence soon, also tagging my admin @Voca and @ThePaleRider

 

Hello Weekend zombi, lets get through this.

So we already have the screenshot of report itself provided.

Here is the image of you buying a flare gun:

Spoiler: Flare gun

Here is the image of you killing the guy you flare gunned after it.

Spoiler: guy that zombi killed

Heres the logs about damage between you two:

Spoiler: Damage logs

Here is the deathscene provided by my trial buddy j3kawesome, his one has a better angles than mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=9gFX0-OfQj8&feature=emb_title


So i didnt slay him because of his response, it was WvW at the end. For this reason, because he said that he saw the body burning second before it disappeared next to you, from where you were standing and the body,
there was no way that someone else could have fired that flare gun except from the upper vents and the thing that boosts them up and down, it must have been from your location and he said you didnt call out the burning body which isn't traitorous but i think what he meant was the guy that actually fired a flare gun, which made it clear for him it was you, now, i cant confirm that you did call it out, because,i was reviewing my other recording to confirm if there was any kos so i didnt record the whole map.

So this is it, imma leave this to my admin to set the verdict. If you have any questions feel free to post it.

 

I don't see how this is WvW his reasoning for killing me in his own words was that he saw the body burning which was impossible because it was gone by the time he even went in the vent. Also you can go down the airlift by crouching. In the deathscene itself there is no body on the ground when he runs in (i don't know if the deathscenes even show bodies)

 

I admit that i might understood his response wrong. About the burning body, it always shows like that, so it can be confused as for is it still unid or burned, so i couldn't know unless you share us your FOV to know if the body really stop burning.
Again calling out burning body isn't traitorous but i think i made mistake when i thought he meant calling out the shooter of the flare gun.
Because he said the body was still burning which means it must have happened recently without you shooting/calling out the guy that actually used a flare gun.
I could be wrong, kinda confused at this point.
At the end it made sense for me to not slay him considering all those things.

 

Everything that's happened has been explained in detail by everyone else.
Basically i killed him because of the common sense ruling.
There's no way it couldve been anyone else.

 

@Voca couldn't the person flaregunning the body have been a detective? that's a situation where Weekend Zombi wouldn't have been gba as the person doing the traitor act is a detective... therefore not common sense?

Also there are many situations in which these ~4 seconds to get away, and possibly half a second to react that would have made Weekend Zombi not gba:


One of these example situations was if Weekend Zombi was just entering the vent at the beginning of the deathscene (as the deathscene doesn't show Weekend Zombi holding out a flaregun it means that the shot was made even before the deathscene started), checked first their right, missing the split second of the person going down, checked their left and aimed at the end of the vent going downwards to shoot the imagined traitor who flaregunned the body when they show back up... all without having even witnessed the T act of the body being flaregunned.

Also as a observation, this doesn't help the report any, so I'll put in spoiler:

Spoiler: flaregun burn time

- yes it does take 6~7 seconds for a body to burn, and if you divide the deathscene progress bar (because it was slowed down so you can't just count the seconds) you will notice that it takes Enyalius around ~63% of the bar to actually turn to check the burning body, seeing as deathscenes are 10 seconds long that is around ~6.3 seconds, also Weekend Zombi didn't have a flaregun out at the very start of the deathscene, meaning that at the very least he would have seen the body burning for half a second, as the shot was made before the deathscene even started.

- so if the flaregun was fired exactly just so to miss the start of the deathscene and he immediately switched guns, the "2 seconds" actually means "0.5 seconds", if the flaregun shot happened even half a second before the deathscene started then Enyalius wouldn't have seen the body burn at all.
Honestly Weekend isn't even looking at the body when the deathscene starts, it just seems very unlikely that it happened exactly before it started, with the timing being just so that Enyalius actually saw something, instead of just seeing nothing.

- Also the bodies actually vanish a third of a second or even half a second before the fire does... if you consider that it might even be impossible for Enyalius to have seen anything at all. I won't bother with all that though, I just wanted to say, how believable is that?

 

Considering none of the example situations are what happened, and noone else was in or around the vent area at the time...
I think it would fall under common sense ruling.

 

If I'm wrong then ill just take a slay like what was meant to happen lol.