Completed Report against Lordhgm

Name of Staff/Player:

Lordhgm​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

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Your Steam ID:

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Which Server:

East 1​

Which Map:

rooftops​

Which Round:

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Time of Occurence:

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Reason For Report:

Reporting due to a false slay.

On rooftops, I was in the building with the axe, a guy shot me, I shot back. He dodged into the room with the axe as I was shooting him, I kept shooting, and another dude who looked exactly the same came out into where I was shooting. I continued shooting, due to having been shot at, and killed the dude.

Apparently, that's RDM, because I looked away briefly to check I wasn't going to get shot at from behind. I don't have evidence to back it up because apparently this is the one map I'm not recording tonight.

Next time I guess I'll just walk into someone's bullets and get them slain.​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

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@Lordyhgm Thanks for slaying me on a reaper round when I got the reaper, you prick.

 

Whilst we're on the subject, did you do anything about the video evidence I sent you a week or more ago? I sent you it when I was clearly RDM'd, then never heard a word.

 

So, the deathscene doesn't show it, but the door is open there, that's how the person I was trying to shoot got away. He ducked behind the door when wiggers came in, and from my view, it was the same guy - I don't sit there in the two or three seconds of combat making 100% sure that the name stays the same every time. I'm pissed that I don't have the video, because on my screen, it literally was the same guy.

You're literally saying that you think I gunned the person and wasn't even trying to kill the right person based on... what? You're saying I'm deliberately not aiming based on...? Why change your mind when you originally decided it was crossfire? There's no "killing on suspicion" because I'd just seen Fister shoot Melody - that's who I was trying to kill. For someone to wander into the room in the middle of the fight and get shot, then have you watching a super-slow version of it and decide that I went and killed him for the hell of it is fucking retarded. You're putting your own interpretations onto my actions, which I would kindly ask you not to fucking do.

Linking the video again -



Are we watching the same video? Elvis clearly slams the barrel and even whispers me afterwards - he clearly blew it up. Secondly, do you have proof you put the slay on Banana? No offence, but I don't exactly trust your word on things right now.

 

Yeah, I said sorry in the report because, with benefit of hindsight and the fact that I was reported, I knew I'd hit the wrong guy. In the moment, when I was shooting him, I had no idea. It's like, if I shot someone and couldn't ID their body, then got reported, I'd say there's a pretty good chance they were inno. You're looking at the entire thing with the benefit of all the information, whereas I only had what I could see in the couple of seconds it happened in. Seriously, post the rest of the shot logs. It's like two or three seconds. I lost sight of the target because I was trying to not be shot.

Do you understand what a kill on suspicion means? There wasn't time to suspect him. There was no reason to suspect him. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

If I'm going to be slain because I had the fucking decency to apologise to someone I killed, next time I'll just call them a cunt and move on. This is how you get toxic players.

 

Hey just popping in here real quick.

I actually did blow up that barrel, unknowingly that he was near. Ill take a slay tonight and add to the report the ss of it. Sorry about that bud

 

I want to start off by saying, I know this isnt my report. Just want to show you that the situation involving me is taken care of. I 100% honestly thought I was already slain for this instance, but it was a while ago so I dont exactly remember. I dont remember what server it was on, so I just hopped on to Vanilla and slain myself.

Spoiler

Want to appologize for this once more.

 

Seems to be three different things being report here, and so I want to break it all down.

1. "1. A situation where a player accidentally causes damage or damages another player while trying to damage someone/something else with a valid reason." Harvest was attempting to kill another player and hit someone else. The problem was that it wasn't by accident, it was on purpose as Harvest could have chosen to hold his bullets and wait for a name confirmation. He did not do that, so this is not crossfire.

2. Lordy should have been able to conclude from the video that Elvis blew that barrel up. I mean, it is very obvious, and an admin should be able to make that distinction, if not by prior experience then by discretion. Elvis has already been slain, so that is buttoned up.

3. What about this report against Banana? I need to see a screenshot of that before I can conclude this.

 

In regards to 1, it's unreasonable to expect that in the second or so that I shoot the wrong person, I should have stopped to check it was the wrong person. Again, the door was open and blocking my view - I didn't see him walk in from outside.

The standards you seem to want to hold me to in a couple of seconds of combat are insane. Again, I'd like to see the rest of the shot logs so I can see just how quickly this happens. From the deathscene it looks like I kill the guy in a couple of shots.

As for 3, it's a report from the same video - Banana crowbars me as they "saw me shoot the barrel". Surely, from watching a Deathscene of Elvis, you'd have seen I didn't shoot and from that could have slain Banana without having to wait for video proof from me. Because if I hadn't have been recording, they'd have apparently gotten away with no slay. I'd like to see the full report on that too, actually.

 

Alright let me really quickly break this down for you.

First of all, the crossfire kill is invalid because you shot a different person entirely, not because he was in the way of you killing another player, but because he happened to be standing in the same spot that the person you were trying to kill was in. If you had held your bullets you may have seen the name and waited for a second to kill the right person. While that may seem unreasonable to you, that is just how crossfire works. You didn't do it by accident, you made a conscious choice to kill that person, even if you had a bad reason to do so. You could argue that it was sort of crossfire because the person you were killing ducked into cover, and I would have understood if Lordy used her discretion here to forgive the slay. That being said, Lordy was following our rules, and I deem that to be an invalid kill. Your slay was justified.

Now for the secondary part of this report. Let's start with Elvis. Lordy could not conclude based upon the logs and death scene that Elvis had done anything wrong because the death scene did not exist. The map had changed, and thus we lost access to them. Without death scenes we are meant to look at the logs and the logs wouldn't tell us right away that Elvis blew up the barrel (it would count it as the world because Elvis chucked the prop in such a way). That being said, once Lordy had the video she should have concluded that Elvis had indeed threw the barrel. Then there is the issue with Savannah Banana. The problem here was that Lordy could have investigated the barrel being activated a little bit better. You could check the shot logs around the time the barrel was activated (as she would have known that Elvis died from the barrel) to see if you had shot your gun. This would have concluded (at least) that you didn't shoot the barrel, thus making Savannah the one who needed a slay.

So in conclusion, the primary reason for this report is invalid. The secondary part of this report could have been handled way better. Lordy could have checked the logs and determined that Savannah needed a slay. She could have also watched your video and determined that Elvis was in the wrong and should have been slain. Elvis has slain himself, and Lordy has contacted Banana to ask if a slay was placed and one was. So in the end I will talk to Lordy about how best to properly handle situations like this.