Completed Report against ryan

Name of Staff/Player:

ryan​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

STEAM_0:1:179229430​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:38369552​

Which Server:

East 1​

Which Map:

de_dust2​

Which Round:

n/a​

Time of Occurence:

n/a​

Reason For Report:

Poor judgement and handling of a report and appeal.

I've already stated this plenty of times before. I killed Hongo for not actively identifying bodies. I got banned because I "left a body unid in a corner that the players passing by couldn't see than you proceeded to killing them for passing an unid body" when in then death scene, the body is clearly visible to ANYONE passing by that is aware of their surroundings.

There is nothing in the rules that states a player has to see an unidentified body before being able to be killed for it, as its always been. The only thing it says is that they "must be able to see the body" as in it has be in a spot where it can be visible.

I believe I gave a reasonable amount of time for Hongo to identify the body, which he did not, but what I find funny is that he supposedly "couldn't see" the it.​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

Body is clearly in an area where Hongo would have been able to see if he had any awareness.
https://i.imgur.com/n1TGdkF.png

Here's a screenshot showing how the body would have clearly been in his line of sight as he was walking up the ramp
https://i.imgur.com/tzbSwJG.jpg

Deathscene here:


I started killed Hongo the moment I deem he had plenty of time to ID it, but instead walks in the opposite direction.
https://i.imgur.com/4lSD8e6.png​

 

Tagging @ryan and his lead @MangoTango

 

Hello,

I have seen this, but I want to clarify something that maybe you should have done before clicking "Submit" on your report response. What I would like to clarify is what unID'd body you were using as justification to kill Hongo; as there were two seen in the deathscene.

When you state something vague like unID'd body and seeing that Hongo was heading in the direction of one unID'd body to ID it, you have to be specific as to which unID'd body the player neglected to ID. If you would have said, "unID'd by the door" it would have made sense. ryan must have had some cerebral flatulence when he wrote the response to your appeal, because that wasn't what myself and other staff told him why it would be loopholing/toxic gameplay.

The part that is toxic would be you standing between a player and an unID'd body, like you were, and killing the player for not IDing the body that was behind you; which you could have been using as a reason. This seems like it may have been a miscommunication piece between @Smor and the staff online at the time.

I will deliver my verdict once I receive response from @ryan .

-MT

 

The body by the door is the one I killed Hongo for, which would have been the first one seen. Had he moved towards the body by the door and identified it, then moved towards me and identified the body behind me, I would not have killed him.

 

I was right behind Hongo and also got killed. We did not have any time to id the bodies, as soon as we walked around the corner we got blasted. I looked at you for a split second and you shot me down. I completely agree with Ryan's decision and I helped encourage it to happen. This has happened before with you and it's about time it finally had its consequences.

 

Here's you walking in the opposite direction of the unidentified body by the door. https://i.imgur.com/p0MD1ke.png
You had plenty of time to ID it.

Nope, I've never been banned for loop holing before. I've never had a problem using this tactic before, and I've never seen other people get in trouble for using it before either.

 

we saw no body at all, I wasn't even looking in that direction. You got caught, just deal with the ban and don't do it again. It will probably take the majority of the ban to take care of this case anyways. I have witnessed you loopholing before, I just wasn't recording and there was no mods on.

 

Hello Smor.
In the video you posted, you can see 2 unid bodies, both of which you had plenty of time to ID which you didn't do, since you decided to use them as bait to kill people passing. Which led to me banning you for loopholing. if you see anyone else do this, please gather evidence, make a forum report and/or contact a staff member
Re tagging @MangoTango to finish this up.

 

Hello @Smor,

After viewing all of the input, you did have reason to kill the players for the body by the door; since we don't have a first-person POV deathscene, it's impossible to tell if they had line of sight, but that would make it word vs. word.

All of that being said, I want to apologize for the ban as I played a part in the direction of the ban. This report is valid. I want to encourage you to specify which body in the future to mitigate any issues like these as the entire report process is a team effort.

I will mark this report valid and reiterate to my team to request information when needed. Your ban will be lifted and voided.

-MT