Unfair Ban

Your In Game Nickname: Rickle
Your Steam ID: STEAM_0:1:51328871
Which Server: Serious TTT East

Why should you be unbanned/Evidence of innocence:
I was slain for 2 rounds because i made a mistake as a detective. The 2nd round was Headshot Wars. Every Mod/Admin i have played with has un-slain players on fun rounds. To my knowledge this is a rule that people are un-slain for them, because i have never seen it NOT happen. Anyways, i was slain on the fun round and asked in admin chat why i was slain on a fun round. MangoTango replied saying that any round is slayable. I told him that every other mod/admin i have ever seen un-slays on fun rounds. He asked for an example, i told him Seventh and Joepicklebob are two people i have seen who have done it. He replied saying that they are only mods, so i sarcastic said "Oh yea i forgot Admins can just make up rules" Then i said a remark of "Authoritarian MangoTango" because he gave no real reason of why they do it one way and he does it another even though i asked him. All he said was that "They are only mods", this is kind of him saying an Admin can change the rules that a mod has set. This was not harassment, it was a joking statement, although i don't understand why rules can change from one to another i did not harass him about it. He said "stop" after i made the the quoted joke, and i replied "Okay then, Lets not prolong this". I agreed with him and asked to end the discussion at that point, and he bans me for saying i will not go on questioning it.

I literally said i would drop the conversation and he banned me for harassment. He says stop, i say okay i will and he bans me. If anyone is being harassed it is me. He banned me 30 days for this statement. A statement of agreeing with him, he bans me 30 days!

MangoTango had just banned for 5 days with a harassment case, this case was that I had said something about what if the detective was a traitor. Then he was saying KOS on me for calling the detective a traitor, i am not trying to drag that topic on as it has been resolved. But that was 5 days ban for something that was not fair either. I never said the detective was a traitor or KOS the detective just to point that out. The overall response to this by MangoTango was "Detectives do not apply to traitorous acts". This rule makes sense because if i said "The detective has a harpoon". Normally saying someone has a harpoon would insinuate that they are a traitor. But for a detective it is void because those rules do not apply to them, just as saying "(Player Name) is a traitor" would insinuate that they are a Traitor and would be KOSable. But saying "The Detective is a Traitor" is void because traitorous acts do not apply to Detectives. So calling him a Traitor should be automatically claimed as wrong just as if you were to say the detective has a harpoon. It would be fully understand by everyone, with no confusion, that the detective is NOT a traitor in either case. Yet when trying to represent myself as innocent in that case i was banned for 5 days (And an additional 24 hours after that for some reason).

To my original point I do not understand why i have been banned, especially for such an extended amount. There was one small joke made, not even harassing him. No verbal abuse or explicit messaging. MangoTango has claimed before that he dislikes me but says his actions are not bios towards my bans or slays. But i believe they have become very much bios. For example, there was a player yelling "Niggers" and "White Power", i asked in admin chat for him to be muted, and MangoTango was one of the Admins/Mods online. He was not Muted or banned or even asked to stop. I was not even given a response by any of the Mods/Admins online. These explicit racial slurs are allowed but a joke to MangoTango that is not even offensive is punishable by a 30 day ban?

This is not only a ban appeal but i ask that MangoTango's status as an Administrator be looked into. Since i was banned i cannot provide screenshots of the message but i hope any mods online at the time or MangoTango himself could provide them so you can see the exact chat and how harmless it was.

 

I actually was able to retrieve the exact messages, here they are.

I said in admin chat "Why was i slain on a fun round" cannot see that message in log. Then messaged after no response.
You to MangoTango: why was i slain on a fun round.
MangoTango to You: Because it's still a round. There is no reason for us to remove a fun round slay.
You to MangoTango: They always say you will not be slain on fun rounds
You to MangoTango: slays are always removed
MangoTango to You: Who is they?
You to MangoTango: Any admin other than you (this was not trying to be rude, as i said above he is the only Mod/Admin i have seen NOT do it)
You to MangoTango: JoePickleBob, Seventh
MangoTango to You: Well, that's the mods.
You to MangoTango: Oh yea forgot admins can just make up rules.
You to MangoTango: Nvm then Authoritarian
MangoTango to You: Don't start this again. You were slain on a round.
MangoTango to You: Stop
You to MangoTango: I am saying Nvm
You to MangoTango: You don't have to prolong it
Disconnect: " "Banned by MangoTango for Conflicts of interest(Multiple offense of harassment

 

I'd just like to point out that some staff are nice enough to remove slays on fun rounds. I've done this only once or twice back then. It honestly depends on the cause in my opinion. MangoTango has been notified.

 

He could have just told me that, instead of saying "They are only mods". Even when he gave me no real answer and asked me to stop i accepted it and said Nvm and lets not prolong it.

 

To start off, there have been ,multiple times where a player will be slain on fun rounds. Usually if it's an accidental case, then yes, I will unslay, but the reason you were slain was because you collected DNA off a body that belong to a traitor that you had already killed. You used that DNA to kill two innocents that were standing over the body of the traitor. DNA shows up on center mass, so unless these two innocents had found a way to lay prone, I don't see it as accidental.

I actually had not just banned you for 5 days for that situation that was already resolved; That situation occured only 3 days ago, and unless you found a way to ban evade, you weren't banned. It was simply resolved and dropped it. Later, when I decided to log off for the night, I get reports of you and HockieHoar RDMing each other and going back and forth as you were earlier when I was online.

Since you have joined the community, you have done nothing but argue with staff and be banned multiple times for harassment. Your attitude has effected player count on the community and ruined playing experience for not only regular players, but for the staff with whom you play. Your continued trouble making has finally caught up to you and I decided to put a stop to it.

Your ban appeal has been denied. I suggest that during your ban, you take into consideration of how your attitude effects the people around you.

 

Staff can choose to delay a slay if they feel like it. IMO it's worth it to be slain on a fun round because they're so quick.

But it's not a rule. If you are found guilty of breaking a rule, punishment can be inflicted upon you whenever the staff member feels fit(within a reasonable timeframe, normally within the same map or 1st/2nd round of the next map). You were just seeing cases of staff members being nice.

Either way, your harassment has gotten excessive, your whole existence on the forum community is "the guy who complains about getting banned for harassment". If you would like to have a long and joyful stay at SeriousTTT, I'd highly suggest you change your attitude and style. If the style you hold is the one you enjoy most, and makes playing fun to you, then I'm sorry to inform you that your existence here under that style won't exist much longer, but there are other communities out there that allow that style.

 

I have been trying. Since my ban ended i have been getting along with other players on the server. This Ban appeal was not about the slays. I did not question them and i openly accepted the slays. I apologized to the players i killed even. This ban appeal was about the conversation between MangoTango and I. I do not understand why i was punished for what i said. I did say a small remark, it was a joke, but still not something nice. If MangoTango and I were on better understandings that joke would have been just fine and we would have kept playing. But the fact that when he said "stop" and i agreed and said Nvm you don't have to prolong it, makes it kind of unreasonable for the ban. He asked me to stop and instead of arguing like i have in the past i 100% dropped it. I gave no rude remarks after his final word when he asked me to stop. I apologize for my statement if you found it that extremely rude, but it was only a joke. I wish you would have just told me that it is the Mods/Admins choice on the decision, not saying that "They are mods". That is not really enough of an explanation.

 

I actually did say it was up to the staff in my mic. That's what I began to type via pm, but it was in the middle of the game and players had just died near me and I didn't want to get killed for something that could wait. The problem was that you made two remarks, not one and it was the final straw. Just three days ago you were harassing me because you called a KOS ion a detective and got killed for it.

 

You're trying to say my 2 kills as a detective were on purpose. That is not the case, and that is not even the reason i was banned. The RDMing with Hockie was not started by me. Him and I have past bad experiences, him and a player named FreeWill3000 were trolling me. If i would prove my case i will give you an audio clip of freewill saying KOS me because i am an asshole at the start of a round and they were trying to kill me. The RDMs we're 3 rounds to 2, the 2 that i supposedly did were in defense or retaliation. I was not trying to start anything, Hockie was trolling me as soon as mods went offline.

 

I did not hear that on the audio, otherwise i would not even have asked you through messaging. I was respectful through my slays and they were not RDM if you read the reports i apologized. I have tried to be respectful to Admins/Mods and players since my ban ended, with the exception of Hockie. This ban you are saying there are multiple cases of harassment but i would like more than just this one brought up. This one i have validated as harmless, and you have not really said anything about this particular one. I should not be banned for you saying there are Multiple cases of harassment unless you can validate them. My PAST ones i have already had my 5 day ban for and i should not get an overlapped ban for previous things that i was already banned for.

All i am asking is validate any other instance of harassment other than this one and Hockie, since the hockie one was resolved.

 

Either way, in this case, you should be familiar enough with the forums to see that you don't revenge RDM; you simply collect evidence and report it on the forums.

 

Multiple offenses of rule breaking will result in an extended ban length. If a player has previous RDM and Leave bans on your record, we're not going to ban them for 5 days when they do it again, because clearly they didn't learn their lesson; this applies to all other things to be banned for, including harassment.

The reason this was the straw that broke the camels back is because you have had multiple instances of harassment and your case of harassment today showed that you have clearly not learned your lesson. You have become a destructive being in our community and I was simply putting a stop to your behavior. If I didn't do it, the next staff member you would have harassed certainly would have.

In life, and in a 36 man server, you have to consider the way your actions effect others. Your actions, since you joined the community, reflect that you do not care for the well-being of our community. Like Zikeji said, "there are other communities out there that allow that style." This is not one of those communities.

Your appeal has been denied.

Topic Locked.

If a Lead Admin or above would like to comment on this or speak to me via PM, I would gladly do so.