SGM Official Discord? - A Proposal

How about the other points? An overlay isn't a gamechanger, it's just something I brought up. All those other points have some sort of significance on how we will communicate later on and the customization we will have available to us and the staff.

 

i know, just wanted to point it out. i do agree, but i just personally like discord more. you are right, however. discord does have down sides but its becoming the new thing.

 

So.. Let's break this down shall we?

I mean, the same goes for TS. There isn't a backup TS we can just join(unless someone has a private one lol).

Like anyone really cared about that anyway tbh. Plus SGM TS doesn't even use/take advantage of this feature in TS. Colored names in Discord is a big +1 to me.

This is the one big difference between TS and discord. However Discord isn't like TS in a lot of ways which is why everyone is so scared to switch.

Discord isn't TS. It's not a multi channel setup and it shouldn't be treated like it.

You can? Hello? Even OpalBot can be configured to make Channels for people if that's whats needed to be done lol.

Pokes are already abused. Plus you can use @name/group to target someone in discord which is PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING. I swear it's like half of you people don't even use discord wtf. lol

Again. It's like you don't even use discord. https://support.discordapp.com/hc/en-us/articles/217659737-Games-Overlay-101 smh.

rip memories but times have changed.

 

Ok more points.

• Your messages go through discord and are probably archived (Big Company Policies). TS is run by SGM, and I highly doubt they archive every single message and PM ever sent. From Discord: "By uploading, distributing, transmitting or otherwise using Your Data with the Services, you grant to us a nonexclusive, transferable, royalty-free, sublicensable, and worldwide license to use Your Data, subject to the Company’s Privacy Policy."
• Let's look at their investors

Spoiler: Key Investors

Oh hey, look its Time Warner. The big company that rips you off by taking a large portion of a city/country, and LOVES to sell information. I wonder what they want in return for their Series A investment? Hmm...

• Uses OPUS Codec so no lower quality music bots
• From reports online from bigger communities than SGM, the voice chats have a spike of people when the discord server first opens, but later start dipping as text chats take over and later, not many people use voice chat
• Design

While Discord may have a "modern" (Its actually flat design so its outdated) is not very nice. Its starts getting bloated with servers you join, people in channels and channels themselves.

• Plugin support. Discord has some plugins but TS has the majority of plugins that are compatible over the years.
• No organization system in Discord (Spacers, dividers, etc.). You can reorder channels but that is about it
• Electron-based and runs off of Javascript. I had a problem for about 15 days where I would keep getting a javascript error when launching Discord. Looked something like this: (This relates to Discord still being in early stages and being unstable)

(More to be added)

 

Discord has music bots. It's called fredboat

 

Rephrased my statement. Oh and 1 more reason.


Shady owner. Like WTF. I know Discord has some privacy issues but this is just too much:

Spoiler: Discord Filing

The owner is Jason Citron. Let's look what else he has worked on... Oh, cool a game called Aurora Feint. Oh whats this, BIG privacy issues so much Apple had to remove the app from the app store? But why?

Spoiler: Why removed?

I don't like my privacy being in the hands of a company with the ToS quote in my bullet point, and ESPECIALLY not in the hands of a person who used this type of business practice in the past.

 

You have some good points. However:

• Yes, if Discord crashes or goes down otherwise, we go down as well. But with it, almost 10 million other uses do. So it won't stay down for long.
• I'm not sure what you mean here? Roles play this exact part.
• That is true, and one of the weaknesses of Discord. However, I do have an idea regarding that.
• Yes, but you can still connect to a voice channel and use a text channel at the same time. So it doesn't have much of a difference.
• With channel categories coming up, the cluttering problem will be solved. The feature is always out on Android's stable branch, so it's only a matter of time until it gets to all platforms.
• You can. OpalBot can do that for you. The entire channel management process is through her.
• You can always @mention them in chat. And if they muted that notification - well, they probably don't want to be poked.
• There's a built in overlay for Discord. It's pretty useful too.
• We already decided to go with the idea of integrating SB with Discord instead of replacing it. So you never have to create and link your account if you don't want to.
• That's also true, and another reason why I brought up this whole topic to discussion. However, I think it's safe to say at this point that the golden age of TeamSpeak is behind us. And it seems the majority of people agree that while TS was a lot of fun, it's time to move on. It's not like in Discord you can't have the same fun!

 

Please read my 2 other posts about privacy. Those are VERY important to me

 

No one is forcing you to use discord.

 

I just did, you wrote them as I answered the first.

• Most companies and services already save your information and/or sell it. Your smartphone is doing that. Your browser may be doing that, depending on what you allow it. Most big websites do that. At this point, if you REALLY worry about your privacy, you shouldn't be using the internet at all. This isn't a problem with Discord but with the modern world, and far out of the scope of this thread.
• You can always lower the bitrate of a channel to allow mobile users / users with less bandwidth to spare to also use it. And other than that, why WOULD you want a low-quality music bot?
• Yes, so? People use what they want to use. In fact, if people would prefer text chat over voice chat, it's just another reason to stick with Discord since it can offer both seamlessly.
• Design is an objective thing. Some may like, some may not. I personally love it.
• Discord has an entire, well documented API. Plugins are the easiest thing to make for it. https://www.discordapp.com/developers
• Again, with channel categories almost out, this problem is solved.
• This, unfortunately, is a specific error for you. No product ever runs flawlessly on ALL systems. And that's what their customer support is there for.

Again, you are very unlikely to ever have your privacy safe in the internet these days. If you really worry about this, you simply shouldn't use Discord or many other things.

 

People using shoutbox through the website or through discord shouldn't care about privacy when it's public and logged 24/7. Also, TS has literally a recording option built-in, and your channels are never completely private due to our staff hierarchy privs. I really don't believe people who want to communicate on gaming platform are the same people that care about some parent company getting analytics about their communication on RUSHING B.

 

+1

Would like to see what comes out of integrating sgm shoutbox and teamspeak into SGM Discord.

 

So....

When can I beta test your bullshit and rip it apart because shittiest UI since Myspace?

 

Figured I'd call you out on this. Let's take a look at a non-modded/themed layout of TS for a second.


Now Idk about you, but I personally hate the look of white ts. Now I'll give you one thing, the effectiveness of the UI is great. Has a ton of features and with a little knowledge it's pretty easy to navigate through. However lets take a look at discord.


So right off the bat I see something that TS lacks that everyone uses quite often. Tagging. You are able to type @username to get that person's attention via a notification in the app. This is by far one of the most useful things about Discord that TS currently lacks. On-top of that Discord also shows you who is online and what group they are associated with, also don't forget the fact you can also tag the group like @admin to target all admins if you are in need of one. Personally I find that VERY useful. The added benefit of emoji support with custom emojis and native image/gif/youtube support built right into the text chat is by far more superior than TS's chat.

I'd also like to make the argument that you don't use TS if I can recall? Or at least I have never see you in the SGM TS so I ask you, how does this effect you at all? Since you seem so against it I'll take it you must use the TS every now and then right?

 

You're telling me the guy who argues against gun balancing when it doesnt affect me at all why this doesnt effect me?

I think you're looking at the issue the wrong way I am expressing my likes and dislikes. HOWEVER, this is actually different because this can impact me.

Shoutbox. I want shoutbox to stay. This is telling me shoutbox will fade away. Find a quote to show "shoutbox is staying" and then I couldnt care less you people go die in discord's basement wrapped up in a blood soaked mess for all I care. So as long as it affects shoutbox, it affects me. I dont use teamspeak, I dont care about the teamspeak to discord swap.

Also the addressed issues about tagging and labeling is not what I am talking about user interface. Those are great features, but if discord is perfect why doesnt everyone swap? The problem with discord is that the UI is god awful. You couldnt get me to try to make an entire discord channel by myself without putting in a serious effort to do so I would need a video to do that. Furthermore, the labeling of users in groups is also a hassle. I've found that to be a huge hassle back in the days of when Minecraft was relevant. We had a builders discord channel. Skyrossm had to make the discord channel because he used it much more than I did clearly as I hated discord for being stupid. I told him to give me proper title with permissions and you couldn't lead me by a trail of candy to find the right options to help others out. Channel management to me sucks. It's awful. It's the key reason I cannot stand discord. They made everything too complicated. I never took the time of my day to understand how all of the channel management works and if I did after all of the noise and confusion i would finally be able to understand how to manage a discord channel when it took all of 5 minutes to understand how permissions worked in teamspeak.

This is just me being anal about 1 bad example of UI, more to come. Not necessarily something I would worry about within discord as the channel management of course would be done by the staff. Nevertheless, you me anyone in existence has one bad experience with something. Fine, we move on try it again later. Oh wait, another issue? Maybe this isn't just for me but 3rd time's the charm? I've gone back and forth with discord countless times trying to see what you people find the overall beauty in it and to me it's just a gem with a chocolate shitty core.

At the end of the day I am either lazy in that i dont want a "discord for dummies 2017" how to book to get around discord or I am an idiot because discord's channel management is as easy as putting a square block into a square hole. Both are possible.

Just through my experiences, discord sucks. Im not here for discord because it looks prettier. I want utility. I want effectiveness. I want something that wont make me pull my hair out. Discord ripped apart a lot of what TS has into more sections to overcomplicate things and it's really retarded.

Honestly, there's only a few good things discord does that teamspeak doesnt have. The emotes especially with it's connectivity to a vast range of emotes whether custom or over twitch and the tagging. I said the labeling was nice earlier, but it's just as effective in teamspeak and less complicated to prepare.

 

What he is more or less saying here is we're likely to see something similar to this:

You'll most likely see no change to the current look of the SB, more so just an added "this message is from discord" sorta thing if I'm not mistaken. Or something similar to that~ But you'd have to ask @Opalium for more information on that but that's my takeaway from that post.

 

Not going to shy away in saying discord likes to make things complicated.

But if shoutbox stays then please follow my example earlier:

Do as you please because christ knows I wasnt going to stop it anyway. UI still sucks.

 

I expected yes and no answers BUT WTF ARE THESE TECHY STUFF IM READING

 

can you take a second to look at the TS permissions UI, it's garbage and a lot of people say Discord is way easier.