Invalid Report against Senpai Reich

Name of Staff/Player:

Senpai Reich​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

STEAM_0:1:85938978​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:17084063​

Which Server:

East 1​

Which Map:

ttt_innocentmotel​

Which Round:

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Time of Occurence:

3/30/17​

Reason For Report:

Senpai KOSed and He was the only mod on and used his judged is own case. Which he ruled for him self.

Sorry for the background sounds.​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

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Tagging @Senpai Reich for their side and their admin @DieKasta for the verdict.

Please remain patient while waiting for a response.

 

senpai is a booty hed

 

Greetings MrNoodle,

Thank you for taking the time to report me on the forums. I hope that from the decision of the report against me that we both learn something out of it.
Since you wanted to refer off the MOTD for claiming that I did RDM, let's look at the list for what is considered RDM.

Spoiler: RDM Clarification

Referring to this list, I did not kill you for any of the reasons listed above alone. I killed you because you committed a traitorous act.
So what traitorous act did you commit? Let's refer to the list from the MOTD, shall we?

Spoiler: Traitorous Acts

Now, considering this list, what happened in our situation?
You killed someone because he threw a discombobulator, so yes you were in the right to kill him for that, as it is stated in the MOTD.
However, from my perspective, all I saw was you shooting at the player, which is a traitorous act also stated in the MOTD.
Keep in mind that you are not immune from being classified, in other players minds, as a traitor if you were shooting at a person, regardless if the person you were shooting at did commit a traitorous act. If this is what you had in mind, thinking that it is RDM for being shot while shooting towards a person, whether or not anyone knew he/she was committing a traitorous act, then I would rather advise you to read the MOTD and extended rules. Nothing of that sort is stated there.
Our little situation should not have anyone at fault for RDM. Figuring out who the traitor is and who is not is simply the essence of TTT, and making mistakes killing innocents is part of the mind game that comes with it.
Did you see a person commit a traitorous act? If yes, then do you think that the person is really a traitor for doing so? Is the person really helping out the innocents doing traitorous acts, or is the person's behavior too out of line for the person to be a traitor themselves?
These are the questions we quickly register when we play TTT, which is how the game mode is supposed to be played. Sure, I made a mistake by killing you, but it does not constitute as RDM.
RDM is something that hovers around TTT, but is not part of intended game play. The term is an acronym fpr Random Death Match, how you are NOT supposed to be playing TTT. This is not the case for our situation, where I played TTT exactly how it's supposed to be played. Discerning RDM from kills like mine is still a blur to many players, and I hope to assist to all where the line is drawn between the two.

Now let us talk about ruling my own report. I can say that I am humble and honest when I deserve a punishment or not, but of course the statement, I feel, would not mean much for you.
During the time we played together, I was the only staff member on the server. I am allowed to rule my reports if no one else is with me. If another staff member was, in fact, with me, they are the ones obligated to give the verdict and punish accordingly on my report. Otherwise, it is just up to the moderator/admin online to decide his/her own report. Of course, that may seem like abuse, and I completely understand where you are coming from, but you already know that you have the ability to report it if you feel that you were wronged. Now that my superior can see the report and our situation, he will be able to rule over our case.

That is all for me. Let us hear what you decide on this @DieKasta.

Edit: Here are the logs from that round.

Spoiler: Logs 1

Spoiler: Logs 2

 

Senpai Reich this long message is sweet and all but, as you can see from the video I killed someone, which you admit was kosable, and I stopped shooting. It was in a full room with plenty of witnesses. On top of all this, I tired to ID the body right away. Also, I have seen people who have been through this same scenario and have been slayed because they did not have clear evidence. According to the MOTD you can not kill on suspension. You have to know that your are completely justified.

Here is the MOTD for a traitorous acts.


Which your statement "all I saw was you shooting at the player, which is a traitorous act" is false. If the body was IDed and it was found to be a INO that throw the discombobulator then you could simply ask me to get tested or ask me why I shot him. Instead, you were not concerned with finding the evidence because no other mods were on and you could quickly rule in favor of yourself and dismiss my report.

Never mind the fact that only a little while after this. You decided to unfairly rule against me in another case which unfortunately was not captured in time were I was clearly justified. If your statement is true that you do take your slays when your RDM then do you mind posting how many times your slayed yourself the same day? I have a feeling it is extremely low or not at all.

If you would have simply talked to me about the situation, I would have blown it off. However, you decided to ignore me and self rule and not communicate with me. Which is clear in the video. But, I heard multiple people complaining about you abusing your power and this was not the first time you did it to me. If I kill a INO during anytime which I am not playing as a traitor I expect to receive a slay but, for you that is not the case. I would just like to see consistency with your rulings.

 

Here is my rebuttal to Senpai's reasoning. In this video you can see what happens with a different mod on the server and the same thing happens. A player stormtropper kills me after I watch a different player kill two INO's and I in returned kill him after the bodies were both IDed. With Stormtrooper seeing all of this go down he kills me before I can ID the body. Sounds familiar right.

Was not able to capture the killing but did get the console report of what happened. Lex decided because Stromtrooper did not have evidence I was a traitor he received a slay.

Truly Senpai it is not that big of a deal to get a slay. I probable got 3 that night because I jumped the gun and you don't see me on here reporting Lex who did the ruling because I did not have clear evidence or I made a mistake.

This is why this is important: Because if you see someone kill someone and you instantly kill that person then you are creating a chain reaction where the room turns into a death match. I always try to wait for the ID of the body or if they just walk away. This stops a death match from starting.

 

I'll keep this message concise then.

Obviously you played from another server that rolls differently from SGM. The game mode may be the same, but the rules are quite different.
Simply put, if you commit a traitorous act , I can kill you immediately afterwards, and that's that. No need for evidence or anything else, all I need to see is that you were committing a traitorous act.
There is hardly any exception to this rule. We play fast paced and are less immersive in finding out what happened to each and every individual. This is especially important considering we would have up to 36 players playing at a time, and not everyone is patient enough to collect evidence and figure out what happened when there are better ways to take down traitors.

If we had a rule to obligate allowing players to ID bodies after killing them, this would cause a whole lot of issues.
I have not much more to say about this in my response.

As for our communication, I would want you to use the admin chat if you want to attract a staff member's attention. Using regular chat is not always seen, as I could be diverting my focus to other reports and issues at hand. A full server can really keep my hands tied at times. You can can utilize our admin chat by typing in @<message>.

That's it for my reply. I know you have been playing on our servers, and I would be more than happy to help you out with the system and rules here. Trust me, I'm not in power to abuse and establish dominance or anything. I really want to aid in whatever people may need. I encourage you to add me back on steam; Perhaps we can talk over our incident and clear things up, including Lex's ruling on your report.

 

Hey MrNoodle,

Thanks for taking the time to file a report against my moderator Senpai Reich. These reports can be a good learning tool for both player and staff alike and I hope you can use this as a resource to aid your gameplay here in the future.

I'm gonna start off by stating that this report is Invalid. Even though you had a completely legitimate reason to kill a player for throwing a discombob, Senpai acted within the rules when he killed you for shooting said player. He was also correct when he stated that he is able to handle reports against him when he is the only staff online.

However, it seems that your main concern here lies with the fact that Senpai didn't communicate with you regarding your case against him. I suggest reading the post he made directly above this one and follow those steps in the future to communicate with staff regarding any concerns you may have.

Thanks again for reporting. You can PM me if you have any questions or concerns regarding this thread.

Report: Invalid
Locked.