Completed Report against Greenhobo and [HD] Zen

Name of Staff/Player:

Greenhobo and [HD] Zen​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

[HD] Zen - STEAM_0:0:116719631, greenhobo - STEAM_0:0:49982134​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:0:50080639​

Which Server:

West 1​

Which Map:

67TH Highway​

Which Round:

3-5 approx​

Time of Occurence:

12:00 approx​

Reason For Report:

RDM/Loopholing​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/j2bgyp1vvsgv5sf/jimbo2_9.dem?dl=0 The last couple rounds of this demo shows me being rdmed by both [HD] Zen and @greenhobo, both gave a reason that could be considered loopholing ,one claiming I shot at a player then damaged a player the other claimed over voice unided bodies which are shown to be none and this is being posted at request of the original reviewer, @Agent A due to the mods on at the time having to leave prior to review of the demo thank you for your time.

Spoiler: Screenshot of Greenhobo trying to say i damaged a player in chat as the reason

and I am sure his response in the report was different too as @Sith Phantom would be able to attest to​

 

Hello @Fivecraft,
I was the trial moderator who handled both of the reports.
As for greenhobo, I originally marked it valid as I believed the logs does not support what @greenhobo said, but it was either marked invalid or accidentally reported as finished.
http://imgur.com/a/qHFtB

As for [HD] Zen, I told Count Jaysula that it was invalid in time (on the basis of the logs supporting [HD] Zen). I told Fivecraft that I would review the demo in case any situation changed. Unfortunately, Count Jaysula left the server before I could finish the demo. This is the report I received: http://imgur.com/a/SGcC5.

 

Thank you for posting this and as for Zen's response to the report as you will see in the demo there were no unidentified bodies anywhere near any of the 3 of us plus in the screenshots you see I do identify a body, which where I was no one was visible to see me, and you will see I shot a glass door no where near a player within where I could aim in regards to @greenhobo

 

I killed you for shooting toward players not for damaging one. Just wanted to clarify.

The message I sent you was just an assumption.

 

Oh and I messaged Sith and he took away the slay because he saw that my reason was valid.

 

However you stated clearly in chat otherwise you changed your story either way the demo shows I was not shooting at players so that nulls your reason there plus screenshots man read your own post there, your own words

 

Yes I said 'I thought' I did not say 'the reason I killed you was for breaking that rule and this rule and...'.

Idk what u want me to do. I saw you shoot toward people and it looked like you hurt someone and tried to run away with the detectives. For that I killed you because you looked guilty. This is not because of any grudge it just looked that way to me and I don't like rdmers or traitors getting off Scott free.

You admit to shooting the window which is facing other people and has the possibility of doing damage to someone through that very window. Because of this reason I believe that I was justified in what I did and do not think that I was 'loopholing'.

 

Actually as you will also see I could not even see the other players until I leapt from the glass which brings to mind a thought how would you even know it was me that shot to begin with? Plus there is a case where there was a ruling that it was in fact loopholing due to the reason being blatantly not what happened which seems similar to here

Spoiler: Similar Issue

https://www.seriousgmod.com/threads/report-against-third-eye.26925/#post-241220

as shown in that demo a player was killed for "shooting at someone" when clearly was not trying to shoot at anyone merely shooting something else specifically, sound familiar? So with this I would say to the contrary that you were not justified at all. Also I never mentioned a grudge at all where did you even get that from?

 

You did not shoot directly at the ground I saw the bullet travel toward players... You mentioned the grudge thing in game to me. I don't like liars and you sure seem to be lying about not saying that you mentioned grudges.

This is not loopholing. You are just trying to make this a bigger deal than it is. This case should say RDM not loopholing.

Maybe the other player RDMing you caused you to think I was loopholing but I assure you I did nothing of the sort.

I was right next to you when you shot...

 

If you were right next to me you would have seen I merely shot the glass and I never mentioned grudges not once so please do not try to put words in my mouth do not falsely accuse me of lying without presenting evidence I mentioned slays which in no manner is a grudge it is history behaviors observed so there is a lie right there from you. Me going off the slays issued against you is just like a staff going off of ban history for lengths, amounts, and details of offenses for a new ban which is basic logic when dealing with people there are only so many chances you can give before you learn not to trust them. And no I am not trying to make anything a bigger deal than it is you had the perfect view to see I was not shooting players if you were right next to me thus showing you may have been looking for a reason to shoot me or anyone in general as I have personally seen not just you but many other players do hell I have been guilty of just looking for a reason to kill someone on the servers making sure it was the most legit reason I can. So I can understand the wanting to just kill a player just because by the rules you can but this is not by the rules clearly and I am going to not respond until a staff, likely admin for the loopholing on either reported player that it applies to, posts on here reviewing it at least. And lastly if you read the report says 'RDM/Loopholing' and I did even say it could be considered loopholing due to the similar situations where the player was clearly not shooting at players/damaging players like this report is falling under. So in conclusion I await staff judgement on this report thank you staff member for your time.

 

Accusing someone of something without evidence is not lying it is speaking without anything to back up what you say. You calling me a liar for something like saying you brought up grudges when another report happened the same day, kind of throws me off because I rarely take pictures of conversations or damage files because in the past I always told the truth. Just because I don't have proof on such a small matter does not mean I am lying about everything. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I'm sure everyone knows this saying and it really is one to live by.

I also never clarified what 'right next to you' means in terms of distance. For all you know I could have been inches or meters or even miles away. Everything is relative. Yet even with this lack of evidence you still made a claim and then went further to state that because of the claim you made it must mean that I am looking for a reason to kill people in game. This claim lacks evidence and I am not calling you a liar for it I just think it is far fetched and is something that is very hard to prove without a formal hearing. Motive is very hard to find out but I assure you that my motive was not the motive you are talking about.

If you or anyone playing gmod saw a sniper looking through a window and shooting through it where many players stand i am 100% sure that they would either question the person shooting or simply shoot them because of what the rules state. All I did was follow the rules and do what was within my ability to do within the parameters of the situation. I never look for reasons to kill people I simply follow the rules. Sometimes if I see someone shoot another player I ask them why, other times I just shoot that person who just did damage to the other player. The reason I do both is because the rules allow me to do so. All I ever did in this situation is follow the rules and I am getting reported for it and having my time affected for it.

I have a pretty bad computer that doesn't have the best graphics card and has a pretty slow hard drive. For this reason I do not record because it affects my gameplay greatly. I am sorry that I do not have further evidence supporting my claims but just because of that does NOT make me a liar.

I also thank the staff for their time and do wish them a good day. I also wish the accuser, fivecraft, a good day because I found out that he is a pretty cool guy who used to be a moderator himself and has some funny stories to tell.

Thank you all for your time and I wish that you do find the truth. Thank you.

 

I know I said I would wait for staff but I just had to clear some blatantly wrong statements you made. 'I don't like liars and you sure seem to be lying about not saying that you mentioned grudges.' this is calling me a liar so you already lied again here 'This claim lacks evidence and I am not calling you a liar for it' wow bro make sure you know what you say before lying about it.
'I also never clarified what 'right next to you' means in terms of distance. For all you know I could have been inches or meters or even miles away.' this statement is not even correct the definition of right next to you is directly next to you like mere inches to a foot away so you just fucked that up there. There is no relativity to a statement that clear cut you said 'I was right next to you when you shot...' direct quote no ifs ands or buts about it there is nothing clearer than that statement
' I am sorry that I do not have further evidence supporting my claims but just because of that does NOT make me a liar.' no but the fact that I did not say anything near what you said I did does make you a liar and you accusing me of lying makes it even worse btw I do believe I have that convo in a demo/screenshots where I supposedly brings up grudges and not just plain history and experiences. When something like this happens keeping records has been proven to be a necessity when you have been reported or are reporting players and are making blatant false claims or even legit claims you can prove hey this happened and heres the demo, which I never see a drop in performance at all so I bet you could handle it if you can play the game, or heres the screenshots of the chat for evidence, which literally is the lowest pull you will ever have on anything in the game, so in all reality your claim of no evidence is not really valid considering damn near every single part of our conversation is on chat via pms or public chat as indicated by the screenshot I provided of you telling me in public dead chat that you thought I damaged someone and tried to flee. I will even scour my screenies and demos to see if I can find the convo for further evidence. Ok I'm good for now

 

Yea sorry I agree. That screen shot might not be the correct evidence they're looking for. It doesn't really prove what you claimed happened. Please make sure you have better screenshots of the incident to prove your claim.

 

I am sorry to have angered you five. I also thank you for your advice.

just had a few things to say.

You said that you were going to wait for the mods before responding, and yet you responded.... that is the most blatant evidence that is in my face that you could not hide from anyone. Sorry but you literally just gave me a hard time for messing up the order of some words and yet you made a much bigger mistake. Come on...

I really dont think that having a conversation with me about why i killed you would change anything. The reason I said that is because one is speculation and is an official thing that you send the moderator. I sent what I sent to you because it is what I thought happened. I sent what I ACTUALLY SAW to the moderator. I sent the 100% hard evidence to the moderator, you shot toward other players. I told you I thought you did damage to other players and tried to hide it. YOU HAVE TO SHOOT TOWARD OTHER PLAYERS IN ORDER TO DO DAMAGE TO THEM. I wrote that in caps because i think you were having a hard time understanding that.

I am glad that I was able to clear up the matters on what i sent you, why i sent you it, and how it relates to the evidence.

The reason I said that short schpeal about how close 'right next to you' is, is because of what you said before and how you were using it as evidence to support your claim. I was basically just saying you had no idea where i was and cannot make any assumptions from it. Thats all i meant to say im sorry for being confusing.

If you have any more questions feel free to ask, I just skimmed over what you said.

good day

 

'I know I said I would wait for staff but I just had to clear some blatantly wrong statements you made.' did you even read the first sentence I posted? Dont try and make me posting when saying I would wait into the bigger issue here as it will not work everything on here is in plain text also where is that '100% hard evidence' you sent to the moderator I would love to see it. And you first just said you killed me for shooting at players in the response and you said in chat it was for damaging you can not seem to make up your mind on this settle on one stick to it dont tell one story then another it helps you 0% of the time. You have provided nothing against my evidence against you and as the following video I recorded just for this you will see I shot no where near the d

Spoiler: Video Breakdown

So tell me when did I shoot at another player @greenhobo

 

The claim the screenshot supports is the fact that he distinctly gave me the reason of me damaging in public dead chat @Moonlily also mind you should not post on reports that do not involve you as you can get in trouble for that

 

After reviewing the demo, both players have been dealt with accordingly.