Invalid Report against sephr

Name of Staff/Player:

sephr​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

STEAM_0:0:20537521​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:0:9508763​

Which Server:

West 2​

Which Map:

Innocent Motel​

Which Round:

N/A (probably the last round)​

Time of Occurence:

12:30 am to 12:50 am PST​

Reason For Report:

Sephr committed an egregious act of rdm against me, and the mod @Exactly appeared to let it slide without any due diligence on his part and was content in allowing this blatant rdm to remain un-investigated.

I was a T and killed the D @Rbizzle while he was AFK in the bathroom handicapped stall on the map innocent motel. I crowbarred him to death and then closed the stall door. 20-30 seconds later while standing outside the stall area @sephr accuses me of not identifying a body. He claimed there was a body that was not id'd in the bathroom stall. I told him to id the body if he believed there was a body that was not identified, and that I had no obligation to id a body I could not see.

For reference, anyone who had played on the map motel should be able to visualize that the stalls are divided from the spawn area. Claiming I did not id a body in a handicapped restroom stall that I could not see (since I was not in the restroom, I was on the T room entrance square) and then like a buffoon rdm'ing me was one step too far.

Sephr simply named a part of the map and then told me to go to that part of the map and id a body (which for discussion could have been a T trap if I was inno) and said if I did not he would kill me.

1) You cannot force someone to travel to another location of the map
2) You cannot kos based off suspicion or a hunch
3) He had no DNA evidence nor did he see me kill the D
4) You cannot kos someone who did not ID a body at another map location or in this case a body that is blocked from plain sight by a wall. By that logic one could kos a player for not id'ing a body in the warehouse if they were on the rooftop. It's simply an open door invitation for unabated rdm of the highest degree.
5) Sephr claims to have a video, I would like to see the video where he sees me "walk past" a body that is not id'd in a closed stall 2o feet from my location.
6) Sephr is a chump.
7) You can't kill off location.

@Horrendous was a witness, and he started to shoot Sephr once this gutless ingrate tried to rdm me. He realized Sephr was talking pie in the sky nonsense. You cannot randomly walk up to someone and start shooting them for not walking to another location of the map to id a body you were too scared to id. Sephr the weasel and his low energy actions caused me to be ingloriously rdm'd. I demand justice.

Sephr, show us this video of your "proof" and how you had 100% hard evidence based off server rules that would allow me to be rdm'd.

I would also like to call out @Tay™ for insulting me in game, claiming I had a lack of logic. Hey "Tay," maybe you should stick to playing the game and being a mute, since you seem to be fine with baseless rdm. So tay, you basically think it's logical to rdm based off location or rdm based off a player refusing to id a body that isn't next to them?

Bring your best Sephr, because your glass house is about to be shattered. Inglorious Sephr, what will your foolish response be?​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

@Horrendous
Evidence described above.
Sephr "claims" to have a have a video which shows evidence of me walking past something that he was not there to witness.

Even if I do not exact justice, at least a ruling by an admin or other staff member could settle whether or not it is permissible to kill someone for not traveling to another map location or to kill someone for not id'ing a body they cannot see in another map location.
Sephr needs to be taught a few lessons and brought down to size. His selfish sense of entitlement needs to be stripped bare, so he plays like a responsible player.

Sephr is the rdm king; the guy is an rdm zealot and needs to be stopped.​

 

Since you tagged me, I will provide the screenshots of the logs and the report.

Until we can get some sort of response from @sephr then we can probably come up with some conclusion.

So as you stated, sephr killed you for suspicion as you weren't near any unided bodies. In his defense, he claimed that you refused to id Rbizzle's unided body.It shows in the logs that you killed Rbizzle at 00:44 seconds into the round and between those few seconds, I don't see the logs saying that his body was ided.

So sephr killed you for passing the body which as shown, I don't see his body being ided in the time frame in which you killed Rbizzle and when sephr killed you:

Spoiler: Logs

If you examine the time frames between 00:44 and 01:17, it doesn't show Rbizzle's body being ided at all so I beg to believe this is a valid report. This situation seemed to be a word vs. word situation making your report invalid.

Here's the report which shows the response for both sides of the story:

Spoiler: Report

If you have anymore evidence Kremlin, please present it here. Other than that, this does look like Word vs. Word. Also, we must wait for sephr to respond as well.

Have a good day!

 

We were on innocent motel, and I was in the hallway perpendicular to the restroom standing on top of the traitor trapdoor. I noticed @Rbizzle enter the restroom. Soon after I noticed Kremlin Church walk by me and enter the restroom. 20 or so seconds later I entered the restroom and I saw Kremlin Church about 5ft away from an unidentified detective corpse and was just exiting and closing the handicapped stall that the detective's corpse was partially inside. The corpse's upper torso and higher were inside the stall and the lower torso/legs were outside the stall (jutting outwards to the center of back of the room). I told Kremlin to identify the body, and he was standing at the end of the restroom opposite the entrance, facing towards the corpse and handicapped stall with a clear view of the bottom half of the corpse. He proceeded to turn around, exit the restroom, and go to the hallway with the traitor trapdoor. I repeated "go back to the restroom and ID the body Kremlin" two times and then he said no and I killed him.

1) You can kill players for traitorous acts. What you are calling "forced" is actually me using discretion. Instead of simply killing you, I asked you to identify the body. Example of discretion: someone cocks a frag or incendiary grenade in front of me. Simply cocking the grenade is a traitorous act, but because I'm forgiving I may use ask them to "throw that off the map or die". I can already kill them immediately, but by choosing to temporarily suspend judgement, I am exercising discretion.

2) I didn't suspect anything, I witnessed you doing something traitorous and I even went out of my way to give you a chance to make amends, which you refused. I don't have to ask you to identify unidentified bodies you walk over, I can just kill you for it, but I consider that rude so personally I don't do that.

3) Irrelevant to killing someone for walking past an unidentified corpse.

4) I claim that you were near the corpse.

5) The only time I even mentioned the word "video" to you was when I asked you "do you need a video demonstrating how this all went down?", to which you did not respond. The key word is demonstrating (i.e. re-enactment); I have no recording of this match.

6) Irrelevant to killing someone for walking past an unidentified corpse.

7) Irrelevant to killing someone for walking past an unidentified corpse.

To sum this all up, I have a question regarding this statement: "I was not in the restroom, I was on the T room entrance square"

If you were not in the restroom, how did you "kill the D […] in the bathroom handicapped stall on the map innocent motel"? (another quote by you)

Additionally, after I killed him for the next 5 rounds he kept loudly complaining (and I quote) "I was never in the bathroom" (emphasis mine) and getting extremely adamant about that. If you're going to make up a story, you should try to stick with it. You stated that phrase so many times that probably anyone in the damagelog for that round will vouch for me that you said that. Go ask @Exactly; he probably remembers you saying that.


P.S. The only thing @Horrendous witnessed was me killing you. He did not enter the bathroom with us when we were inside, so he is not a witness in regards to you walking by the corpse. Here is a quote by you that backs this up:

> He realized Sephr was talking pie in the sky nonsense. You cannot randomly walk up to someone and start shooting them for not walking to another location of the map to id a body you were too scared to id.

I am assuming that you wish to attribute that entire statement to Horrendous (as it would be very very odd if your witness testimony is literally only "He realized Sephr was talking pie in the sky nonsense"). In that statement, you affirm that you and Horrendous were not in the restroom together as "not walking to another location of the map" implies that the restroom (the place I asked you to return to) is "in another location" when you were with Horrendous.

 

Ok. After hearing sephr's side of the story, you can add any other evidence you have Kremlin. As far as that, if you have any evidence to disprove sephr's side please present them here. Other than that, I will mark this report as invalid unless you have proof to say otherwise. Hope to hear your response soon Kremlin.

 

"So as you stated, sephr killed you for suspicion as you weren't near any unided bodies. In his defense, he claimed that you refused to id Rbizzle's unided body."
- Well that's the problem. You cannot kill on suspicion. That defense is BS hogwash. It's pure poppycock. Every rdm'er uses that defense. It's a convenient way to wriggle out of punishment if the victim never recorded the incident. Exactly, can you realize that in motel the stall has a closed door? How can I walk past something that is not in sight? He was not even in the stall. If he was, he would have shot me right there...or tried to anyways. You (Exactly) also never gave a clear answer to the question: is it acceptable to force someone to travel to another part of the map to id a body the other person didn't id themselves and then kill the person for refusing to do so?

As for Sephr the inglorious one...

1) 1) "You can kill players for traitorous acts." - Except you couldn't prove jack. It was suspicion. Unless you saw me do it, had DNA evidence or there was an active kos on me, you acted on a hunch. Acting on a hunch is not grounds to kill someone.

2) You didn't witness any such thing. If you did, you would have called a kos immediately. Only an idiot would witness someone kill a D, then wait more than 20 seconds to do something and on top of that attempt to talk to the said murderer for ten to fifteen seconds. You are sounding more and more silly the further I read your post. Again, YOU WEREN'T in the bathroom when I was. How do I know this? I walked out of the bathroom without seeing anyone in there. You weren't there. You went in after the fact and assumed I killed a D but had no hard evidence. Again, you didn't witness anything you servile coward. You even admitted you did not directly witness anything.

3) I didn't walk past an un'id'd corpse since you did not see me do so. Corpse was in a closed stall, not an open area. Impossible to walk past any said body in that scenario.

4) That claim has as much evidence as being outside the warehouse on assault and claiming the interior is "nearby" and grounds to kos someone on a hunch is not inside.

5) You never uttered any such phrase. Again, you prove to be a supine weasel who is unable to move his argument forward with any sensible logic or evidence. You are a low energy chump.

6) Did not witness me doing so; the said claim is invalid

7) Did not witness me doing so; the said claim is invalid.

You said:
if you were not in the restroom, how did you "kill the D […] in the bathroom handicapped stall on the map innocent motel"? (another quote by you)

- If I was a T that round, why would I admit to killing someone? The problem is an inno cannot kill someone based off a hunch. I never admitted to killing anyone in-game and you damn well know it. You seem to not understand how the game is played. I look forward to killing you multiple times in the future for not identifying a body found at another map location. I'll get off the hook every time.


>" He realized Sephr was talking pie in the sky nonsense. You cannot randomly walk up to someone and start shooting them for not walking to another location of the map to id a body you were too scared to id."

- I think you were in another conversation. The statement applies to you. As is to be expected of an inglorious person like yourself, you are a first-rate liar par excellence. You rdm'd admittedly based off a hunch and your entire statement proves so. You did not see anything. You ASSUMED something, and you killed me off that ASSumption. You concocted an entire BS set of lies which merely mask the obvious fact you killed me far after the fact without solid evidence. Anyone can claim what you did, but you can't prove one bit of your foolish story.

We can summarize all of this as follows: sephr is a liar.

 

You see the reason is that that is the problem. How do we have proof that the body was in the bathroom and it was unided? Logs show that Rbizzles body wasn't ided and as sephr stated, he killed you for not iding it.

Do you even have any screenshots or video evidence to back up your claim? Present them now please.

 

Exactly, I realize that in this case he claims I did not id a body. I don't have direct evidence as I did not record the event. I was hoping that based off the two stories, you would deduce that based of his own words, sephr discredits himself. His story evolved from seeing me kill the D to somehow waiting a long period of time before trying to kill me based off me walking past a body that was beyond plain sight. Strangely enough, when I closed the stall door, he was nowhere to be found inside the bathroom. Chat logs show he never called a kos on me.

We know that the body was there because both players acknowledge it was. The question was whether or not it is acceptable to rdm based off a hunch. He claims I walked past a body. Exactly, as you know, the handicapped stall on motel has a door. If it is closed and a person is outside the bathroom that does not count as "walking past." Even if I was inside the bathroom by the exit, that would still not count as "walking past." To "walk past" a body, you need to have a body in plain sight. Not a body hidden inside a closed space that is outside the area the T is at. My assault warehouse analogy illustrates my point perfectly.

Since I know you will probably let him off the hook in this case (since I do not have video or photos from the incident) please answer my question about killing based off assumption. I phrased it twice in both posts. Is it acceptable to kos someone for not going to another map location to id a body that is not in plain sight?

 

Ok. Considering that you have no evidence of screenshots or video evidence to argue against this situation, I will have to lock this thread. Please, if you are going to file a report against a player or staff, it's best to have evidence of screenshots or video to defend your side. There's a thread on the forums that tells you how to properly catch Rule breakers and it clearly tells you need to take some evidence:

http://www.seriousgmod.com/threads/how-to-properly-obtain-proof-against-rule-breakers-abusers.2268/

This situation is all Word Vs. Word here and you seem to have no evidence to argue otherwise.

I hope you have a good day Kremlin!

Report: Invalid
Thread: Locked