Invalid Report against Kynwall

Name of Staff/Player:

Kynwall​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

STEAM_0:0:43626814​

Which Server:

West 1​

Which Map:

Ford Marine​

Which Round:

3​

Time of Occurence:

3:20 am PST​

Reason For Report:

Ghosting.​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

According to the extended rules, ghosting is described as: The act of providing round related game-changing information to a player, or players, through means of third party communications. Examples of third party communications would be steam chat, !p (in game), Skype, or any other form of communication that is not the global chat in-game. As an example, if I messaged a player, "!p <player> *players name here* is a traitor, kill him." it would be ghosting.

Because of this, if a member of the staff slays a player while their body is missing, it gives the players info that changes the game.

http://imgur.com/a/2xBY3#mmQKMdK

Originally, the user Lick_the_butter had assumed that HawkNinja had RDMed his T buddy, and after Kynwall had put the slay on him, Butter put a KOS on him (see picture 3).

Mods can not slay any player while they are alive, they must be dead to open their menu. So by being an unidentified body, any remaining living players have obtained information that they did not have access to and it effects the outcome of the game.

Although Kynwall did not directly influence the game, he still broke the rule of ghosting. The act of providing round related game-changing information to a player was definitely achieved by Kynwalls failure to observe the current status of the round.​

 

If I may reply, a mod slaying someone is not ghosting as it IS in global chat, whereas the rules state that third-party communication is "any other form of communication that is not the global chat in-game". If a mod, kynwall in this case, slays a player for RDM, from previous round reports or current, everyone in the game that is alive now has that information. He is not PMing half the server the slay and leaving the rest to figure out he is dead. If Hawk was called out for being slain (?) then the person who called him out would ultimately be slain as well, because he would have no way of knowing Hawk killed kynwall, and would be the same as when a player kills for suspicion. Also, a mod can slay a player next round if that player is dead or alive

Would you prefer a mod not do his job? What if his body is burned and UnID for the entire game but there there are reports flowing in?

 

Although it is in global chat, it still effects the game. As for the mod doing their job or not, Kynwall already falls short as far as moderation goes. He has done nothing but send me little comments in game instead of formally responding to my report. He has encouraged RDM by congratulating a person for RDMing me and in general seems to lack common sense. So to answer your question, he already doesn't do his job.

 

@kynwall will respond soon.

 

He's been online for the past 2 hours. I told him about this post about 1:30 ago. Does he not take this seriously enough to respond in a timely fashion?

 

If I may reply as well (If you wish, yea, I'll take a warning for not being involved, I don't interfere in reports ever and this'll most likely be my first forum warning. I wanted to give a view on something that would more likely be the issue of this report which I can give a first hand experience to * http://www.seriousttt.com/threads/report-against-bsun-sora.12304/ * This'll be my only msg here so the staff can actually finish this themselves), this sort of thing has happened to me before, except in a more obvious way. A mod using a slay to blatantly affect the game would be meta-gaming, whether on themselves or others ("Others" is rarely the case, for those who use this information are at fault if they were wrong, so like Kyn said in the 3rd pic, it could've been for a number of reasons). This is a more common occurrence is if used on the mod himself after killing someone who was innocent, then slaying themself because of "RDM" and then it turns out the mod was a T and trying to prevent themself from being killed. So, to connect, If an inno kills an inno and the living inno is slain for RDM on the now dead inno, that's a daily occurrence. The fact a third party chat was not used means this isn't ghosting, as Python said, it is in global chat. Many people, including myself, do take this information (Like the situation about the innocent) into account whenever a slay is issued and we come to the conclusion that "So and So was most likely innocent." They could've been an RDMing traitor, and we could ultimately be harming ourselves in the end if the T lives long enough, but this is the opposite case and be viewed as unfortunate if and only if the reason given to kill the RDMing T is legitimate and not ONLY because "He was slain for RDMING his T buddy", it'd have to be along the line of a traitorous act which would be "Killed someone, shooting at peeps, next to unid'd, etc." and cleared any doubt he had once he took the information of the slay into account, as people are always hesitant to kill idiots who do T acts all the time.

The fact that every single staff member always slays people for whatever the case may be every round and in similar situations like this many times a day nulls any sort of argument against Kyn I would say, as they are just doing their job to make sure everyone is satisfied for those at fault in a timely manner so people don't get upset. As for your messages, he isn't obligated to respond to everyone every time about the conclusion of their report, you ask yourself. To add on, people have lives. He is probably in class and on the forums w/ his phone and is now obligated to respond to this when he can, so be patient.

 

We still have access to console and the ulx menu when alive regardless. So @kynwall slaying another player doesn't give away anything about him being un ID or not.

 

Your statement, "Mods can not slay any player while they are alive, they must be dead to open their menu." is false, we may slay when alive and we can open the reports menu while alive as well, as I did on Forest_Final when you were a Detective and I was on the cliff just above you dealing with one roughly 1min into the round, the way to do this is to open it pre-round as well via console.

Your claims of ghosting are also false as the slays that are issued are all sent in global chat, the players are unaware of the reason(s) for that player being slain and therefore, in this case, had made assumptions leading to the death of the slain player. I do not provide information to anyone when I issue a punishment, I do not tell everyone why that person is being slain, you're to a degree telling me not to do my job whilst playing. You go look at our "Ghosting" section under "Rules" tab you'll see I had done nothing during my staffing time to break any of those rules stated.

 

Finally you learned to respond. It only took you 3 hours. I think your friends sufficiently covered your ass. As for your claims that "the players are unaware of the reason(s) for the player being slain" that is totally untrue. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand why somebody is being slain. It was blatantly obvious in the context of the situation why you had slain them. What I am suggesting is that you be a little more self aware and use your brain so that depending on the situation, you don't give living players information that they DID NOT have access to. If you had not slain the player, we would have not known that you were dead, or that the player was a traitor.

What this comes down to is: DID YOU GIVE THE LIVING PLAYERS INFORMATION THAT OTHERWISE WOULD OF BEEN INACCESSIBLE? And to that, the answer is yes.

Because of your ignorance to the circumstances, a traitor lost his T round. That is a fact. If you find that false, then you should of slain Butter for false KOS WHICH YOU DIDN'T! You did nothing to acknowledge your mistake except taunt me in game with your snide comments after I brought up the concern.

My guess is, the only reason you wanted to be a mod is so that you can feel some sense of accomplishment in your life since you are too naive to achieve any real goals in life or understand basic logic.

 

Just because someone gets slain doesn't mean they're dead... plenty of people get slain whilst still alive in a round from previous reports.
Also, he didn't make snide comments, he was replying to you bluntly, straight to the point. If you think that he was being disrespectful then you're mistaken.
You shouldn't assume things just because something happens. Just because he got slain didn't neccessarily he died.

"As for your claims that 'the players are unaware of the reason(s) for the player being slain' that is totally untrue. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to understand why somebody is being slain. It was blatantly obvious in the context of the situation why you had slain them."

Yet how could you have know that he was slain for a completly different situation that happened on a completly different round? Again, you're assuming that a player was getting slain for the situation at hand because you're only taking it from a straight-forward perspective, you aren't looking at the whole.

Did he give the living players information that otherwise would of inaccessible... no? He put a slay on someone... so what? That could mean a lot of things, it could mean that he got slain for something the round before, it could mean that he is alive, typed the !respond command, answered a report on him, and got slain for it, or that he could've possibly died and responded to a report on him.

Also, how did a traitor lose a T round because of this?

 

I just wanted to point out; this is inaccurate. We have chat commands to issue slays on players at any time, no matter if we are alive or not. You cannot assume that we are missing in action because we have issued a slay. We do not always issue them right after the round it happened; we often need to investigate what happened and ask the players for additional information through PMs, and our verdict is given later, often a round or two after the RDM happened.

And, Kynwall doesn't deserve this kind of abuse. That was completely inappropriate and uncalled for.

 

same reason as robo this is to help the mod around November 19th or so i was slain for rdm for killing a proven inno that killed another inno while being a detective now yes i know i wasnt allowed to tell me side of the story but i there was a slay added onto me while i was still alive killing a t so gonna say that if you are gonna get slain next round it does not matter if you are alive or dead it gives the other players no proof

 

Not sure why no one is following this.

 

@TheTrueCatMan

Yes, slaying a player in game does send a global message that the player is being slain; however, you can never know for sure what they are being slain for. For all you know, they were reported earlier that day and are taking the slay now. I don't care what you logically assumed was the reason for the slay, it is not ghosting. Argue it all you want, but that is not how it works. It's not anyone's fault but your own if you automatically assume that someone is a T because they "must" be getting slain for killing their T-buddy. There are hundreds of reasons as to why someone may be slain.

This report is outrageous, and will most likely be deemed invalid by Kynwall's admin. Also, don't expect people to listen to your point while you execute it in a disrespectful manner. Pull that again, and you'll be banned from the forums.

@Opii

 

Report locked until @Opii gives his verdict.

TheTrueCatMan, if you have any actual evidence of Kynwall mispreforming his duties as a staff member you can pm a staff member to unlock this report.

Locked.

 

Hello TheTrueCatMan,

I would like to go out of my way to change my introduction to the average report and not thank you for making a report. Your toxic behavior has deterred me in any way from respecting you as a player, much less as the reporter of my moderator, kynwall, for which you report him for Ghosting. In many ways, you have reported kynwall for doing his job as a moderator, and for that I would like to thank you. As for the Ghosting claims, I would like to clear any of your hopes and deem that this report is invalid; it seems that you are simply attempting to report staff members for ridiculous matters.

Firstly, I would like to state that moderators are able to handle reports and see the logs for the prior round while alive. Often this feature goes unused and but it a possibility that kynwall used it. This possibility would and should deter players from claiming they know of kynwall's status as "missing" as they cannot be 100% sure without the evidence of a body. Secondly, you can also not be 100% sure of the reason behind a player's slay. A "brain surgeon" would take in all possibilities and while they can highly suspect the reason behind a player's slay, this is simplya suspicion and they would be wrong in acting upon it as it could be from a prior round in which they failed to respond to a report. Lastly, whether alive or not, I expect my moderators to do their job quickly and efficiently. As a result, global notifications will appear but I will not be reprimanding my moderators for doing their job and doing what they're expected to do.

Before reporting a staff member, I would suggest you put some honest thought into the possibilities. "It doesn't take a brain surgeon" to realize that they fail to have solid evidence and that acting up on it would be their own fault, not the fault of the moderator in question. As stated before, this report has been found invalid.