Denied Shtephon's Appeal

Your In Game Nickname:

Shtephon​

Your Steam ID:

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Which Server:

74.91.124.21:27015​

Why you should be unbanned:

Only the illogical reasons as to my banning.​

Evidence of Innocence:

First of all I would like to start with some statistics.

There is a group of twelve players and as many as three players can be active traitors at one time. That is twenty-five percent of players you have to be actively be watching out for. Not only that, people in general are a species that can't be trusted. Small niches can set a man or woman to perform some particularly crazy actions. Your chances of survival drops even more significantly with each active player that is not the traitor.

I was accused for RDMing up to ( and not limited to ) three incidents. I have tried having a bit of fun with shenanigans while playing this game in hopes of increasing interest and cooperation within players. Now, when someone randomly shoots and hits you, I assume you would return fire. I did. That was offence one.
Offence two was caused simply by me asking a player, who was sharing the same confines as me, to stand inside the traitor detector or I would consider that an act of terrorism x2 ( traitor terrorist ). The player stated that he would refuse and he was not a traitor in which I replied with, well.. shooting him like I stated to him. After that incident I turned and was freaked out by a character rushing in to the room, then idiotically killed a player in his direction. Without legitimate reason. Just panic.
Offence three was apparently me shooting and killing a player.. I really don't remember when and how.

I would also like to point out the many times I actually payed attention to the details, instead of dicking around per say, I have been nothing less than accurate. Many of times I have an accurate assumption and was accused of RDMing among my peers. And in fear of being reported, I retracted my otherwise sufficient accusation, in turn for freedom of play. Ironically enough, I was kicked because of RDMing.

Needless to say, I am aware that RDMing can ruin another players day and is a commonly instated law (more like) upon many servers. I believe each kill would be in complete understanding within the confines of human evaluation. Simply meaning, my actions would not be uncommon among people in similar situations. Argo; "people in general are a species that can't be trusted."

I not only feel that my actions would be at an understanding, given my position, I also believe that the entire system that is TTT is completely unfair for those who are not the traitor. ( That is another situation. ) I would also like to oppose the invalid action performed by the active moderator.

Just because someone was "butt hurt" about what would have been an avoidable incident.. I was reported and was incapable of playing for three rounds. In which, I was wrongly convicted and then terminated from the server. ( I was allowed for three rounds to spectate then followed that fun with a ban. )


Honestly, I expect the reader to barely pass though this essay without even fully understanding the gravity of the situation at hand. I am most likely wasting my time, in which making said statement will strike up a new breed of slandering comments. If you managed to accurately asses this situation and deem me 'guilty', then do be it.

Maybe I am overreacting. Maybe not. I am however awaiting for a rather interesting response.​

 

You were banned by @Okai for Mass RDM. He will respond soon.

 

Thank you for that update.

 

Hey @Shtephon, here is the screen shot of the moment you had killed 2 innocents and damaged a third.

Unfortunately even though damaging or killing a player may have been an accident it's still RDM.

Keeping that in mind for the first kill you had killed the player jet. You killed the player for refusing to test. Players are not required nor obligated to test in the traitor tester, other players are not allowed to kill them for it. You may request it but it's up to the other player to decide whether or not they are willing to test.

You then shot and damaged @Pacifist as well as Kuroku-clause who had both retaliated and shot you. You told me the reason for shooting and killing Kuroku was because he had scared you. When I questioned you about Pacifist after he had reported you the next round you had not given me a valid reason to why you had damaged him as well which had lead to Mass RDM (3+).

I would love to accept this appeal since you seemed like a nice guy, however what had been done was Mass RDM (3+). You are still able to play on the other 4 servers, so feel free to play those in the meanwhile. If you have any questions feel free to message me through a conversation (located in the inbox on the top right).

 

Unlocked at player's request.

 

Wow. Thank you for being cooperative. Sorry if I am intruding into your personal time or perhaps annoying you.

 

Don't worry about it, it's not a problem at all. Go ahead and post what you wanted to state about the ban appeal, I am going to tag @Darktooth as well, my admin, incase you want input from another staff member.
Also note that if I fail to respond I may be sleeping at that point.

 

Thank you for the update. Feel free to introduce anyone you see fit to this.

I would like to point out that the rules for TTT as indicated by this forum have nothing in the matter of player cooperation. I would like to also argue that "killing someone on suspicion" would not apply to this situation and would immediately contradict the game of TTT. That is because everyone is suspicious of everyone. This situation would be more considered a hostage situation in which if a failed cooperation is undertaken an immediate action, as identified, would be taken. The player was informed of the actions that would be taken if they would not cooperate, in which would imply a more accurate notion to "suspicion." If the player had nothing to lose then cooperating would not be a problem.

Technically speaking ( and feel free to argue ), I would only have two strikes on this server which would mean I would be slayed for exactly two rounds. That and my ban is not supposed to be two days anyway.

 

On the serious TTT servers we do not allow players to kill on suspicion. Refusing to test is very suspicious, however even if you warn the player that you would shoot him/her it is still not allowed. There is no warning rule in the Serious TTT servers. Players do not need to follow what other players tell them to do. That is why I had to treat that case as RDM.

 

Contesting with @Okai's ruling is not smart. You cannot argue your way out of our rules, since they are set in stone.

Killing someone for refusing to test is RDM, whether you like it or not. Okai has provided the logs of your other RDMs.

Feel free to lock this appeal, Okai.

 

Although the server has no displayed rule against that forcing players to cooperate I have received a strike in regards. That would be unjust for I did not know that was a rule.

Cooperation is key to identifying the solution to a problem. Why would you rule out the cooperation within the game of TTT? That is an ethical strategy to finding the traders among the innocents. It seems illogical to remove a player for using this method. I understand if you use it to the point it seems like you are just executing people. That was not the case. Any other player that would have stayed in that room (including myself) would have received the same treatment.

This action would technically not be classified as "RDM".
http://gmod.wikia.com/wiki/Random_Deathmatch
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RDM

The player was terminated for non cooperation. And as far as RDM is concerned, the character that was being role played (via an innocent) acted accordingly to their given situation.
I can't really be held accountable for the actions that had taken place being that there was a lack of information that would have played a valid part to my tactics.

Sir/Madam Darktooth,
I would like for you to evaluate the information accordingly. I am aware that you are @sudo, let's say. I have the right to argue my point, you have the right to argue against it. Please, don't assume that my actions are "not smart" for opposing @Okai; many of things have been changed because of a debate. Let's not just lock this post when in fact this could potentially help you better your server and provide you more insight from the perspective of a player with concerns of logic.

I do not mean to be rude if that is what you assume.

 

Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse to get out of their consequences.

Killing someone for not testing is considered under our rule of killing for suspicion; it's not allowed. We really should add this somewhere in our clarifications.

If I am correct, your ban was only a day long and should be expiring soon. In the mean time, we do have 4 other servers you are able to play on, so you are by no means completely restricted from enjoying our community in the game.

 

"Ignorance of the law is no excuse." As dictated by U.S law. It has been shown that the absence of education from the law under given events can actually be waived.

For example, you lived in the U.S. for 5 years; you are expected to know the law. You just arrived to U.S.; the state may waiver the actions depending on its level of classification. Minor situations may be classified for misdemeanor. Point being, it is unfair to label that situation in particular as an act of RDM and thus the final strike. All other actions before and after that would be classified as RDM however. If you would post a bit of clarification as to what you believe some situations of RDM are.

~When I clicked on the server it said I was banned for two days..

Honestly though, I would win in court for this current situation... And would be left to the hang for the others.
All in all, I find this exciting to debate about the logic of things. If you must lock this conversation you may, however I would like for you leave it open.

 

If you would like to discuss server politics, shoot Event a PM.

Topic locked.