No Face false slay.

Name of Staff/Player: @No Face

SteamID of Staff/Player: STEAM_0:0:41969968

Server: (Which server did this occur on? West

Time of Occurrence: (Make sure you include your timezone and map with round number if necessary) 7:45PM rooftops round 2 or 3

Reason For Report: (What did he/she do?) Ok so No Face had suspicion on Player A and in an attempt to make him do something traitorous he tells him that he can kill
the AFK Player B and that he would do nothing about it. I over heard this and went up to No Face and tried to kill him forcocondoning rdm. I reported him and answered me with "I can lie if I want to"

Evidence And/Or Witnesses: (Screenshots/Video Recordings/Players That Witnessed The Event; See Here)
@KING HOBO @Plad

 

Moderators should not be acting trollish like that. It's very disappointing.

 

I do not think this is exactly trollish. Part of TTT is social engineering or whatever you call it. If you can trick someone into committing a traitorous act, then props to you. The difference between this and trolling is that if you're trolling, you kill people you know are innocent just because they committed traitorous acts.

 

If you are a staff member and you give someone permission to break a rule, then applause to you, because that's what it could be perceived as.

His intentions may not have been that, but it's about perception.

 

I had assumed No Face told him he could kill the AFK whilst the round was in overtime. If this assumption is incorrect, then I retract my statement.

 

Hey Jello, let me reexplain the situation to you, and I did not respond to you with that statement.
Let's have Player A being me, Player B being Suspected Traitor (Dialogue that is being directed towards), Player C being the AFK Detective, Player D being Jello (random innocent comming by)
Player A was suspecting Player B of being a traitor, so in order to get him to trait Player A tells Player B that he could kill player C and he wouldn't do anything about it in order to get him to trait in front of him. Player B does nothing but stare, and Player D comes by and tries to kill Player A, who made no active KOS, did not T bait, did not kill an innocent. Player D was killed by Player A in self defense. Player A leaves Player C and B, Player B kills Player A (because he is a traitor). In the end Player D was found to be innocent through the logs and was slayed.
It was my fault for not explaining it in full detail, but player A was not encouraging rdm, was just trying to get player B to trait.

 

It was not overtime, and i was trying to get player b to trait in order to have a reason to kill him, at no time did i ever say was it ok to rdm.

 

I could see that being okay, but the problem is that you're a staff member first and a player second. If Player D would have killed the AFK, I think he just took it as a staff member giving him permission to do something. I would assume that if that player, or any living player, were innocent and didn't know the rules very well, they could kill the AFK.

So if it weren't overtime, you told a player they could break the rules and you wouldn't do anything about it. That is why it's about the perception of the event.

 

Didn't you tell him he could kill the AFK? If you told someone you do not know to be innocent or traitor that they could kill an AFK and it is not Overtime, then aren't you promoting RDM? Please clarify for me, lol.

 

It would have been okay if you said, "Well, if you're a traitor, you could kill this AFK here and I'll just stand by and watch."

 

I was not promoting RDM, because the only way any one would be allowed to kill a member that is AFK before overtime begins is if they were a Traitor. My personal play style is trying to get people to trait in front of me by what i tell them. Assuming that the player knows the rules he wouldn't be allowed to kill the person that was AFK if he was inno, i was simply trying to get player b to trait infront of me since i suspected he was a T. If we were to assume that player B was an inno and did kill the afk player C i would have slayed player B.

Another example related to this would be as a Traitor, you can admit that you are a Traitor to all players, and telling other players that an innocent player is your traitor buddy. You are saying a false kos, but you aren't actually allowed to kos your traitor buddies. It doesn't work all the time, but they know as staff I wouldn't really be promoting breaking the rules but simply tricking them to trait or killing innocents for me.

 

But you did say "you can kill this afk and I will look away."

 

Yes i did, but i said that in order to get him to trait, which would still give you no reason to attempt to kill me due to the fact i have not done anything traitorous.

 

Generally as a staff member, you are held to a higher standard. What you did here would be a terrible way to set an example. You told a player to do something and killed him for it. What if the player was new? Surely he wouldn't want to come back if staff members acted this way.

 

And also im not sure if you noticed but people you drowned out via voice chat were saying "dont do just because he's a mod" And since when was telling someone that they can kill someone witl a preceived non existant punishment?

 

And If they didnt know the rules.

 

I'll agree maybe i should have worded it differently than how I originally stated at the time. I could have stated instead, "If you're a traitor kill the afk detective, I won't do anything about it." It was to tempt the other player into traiting. @Jello You however walked to me and attempted to kill me even though I had not done anything traitorous in the round, and that's why you were slayed. Putting aside what I did you aren't allowed to simply walk up to people and kill them for baiting other players into traiting when that player has not done anything traitorous. @Sinz He wasn't killed for it by the way.

 

Nothing traitorous? Sure you can go by the MOTD all you want but you know that if you are literally telling someone they can kill someone with a preconceived non existent punishment that is basically condoning RDM.

 

Correct me if i'm wrong, but players are obligated to know and follow the rules, atleast the ones in the motd, as staff we punish the players that break the rules even if they were to have said, "But I didn't know that rule."

 

There is nothing saying "If you do not read the rules it is not our fault." when the MOTD pops up. I know for a fact that most people only check the MOTD if they are serious about the server or are concerned about a possible rdm.