Invalid Report against [TWIG] TITAN

Discussion in 'TTT Staff/Player Reports' started by Tentajuul, Mar 10, 2021.

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  1. Tentajuul

    Tentajuul VIP

    Name of Staff/Player:
    [TWIG] TITAN
    Steam ID of Staff/Player:
    STEAM_0:1:60443089
    Your Steam ID:
    STEAM_0:1:72189838
    Which Server:
    Vanilla
    Which Map:
    Innocent Motel
    Which Round:
    2nd one i think
    Time of Occurence:
    3ish
    Reason For Report:
    I killed a traitor (Vtakz) who was shooting me and another player, and as many of you know, shooting players is infact KOSable. After killing the traitor. I got reported for "you like pee dont you" I said yess i like pee

    AND TITAN FOUND THE SLAY VALID BECAUSE I DIDNT GIVE A GOOD ENOUGH RESPONSE? I WAS TOLD I LIKE PEE

    Actually the worst mod play ive ever seen even though he removed the slay when i called him out and asked for a reason for being slain.

    Literal kangaroo court

    @Titan i even like you dude but this is some cerebral palsy brain eating ameoba 3rd grade ugandan education level decision making.​
    Evidence And/Or Witnesses:
    VtakZ [traitor] killed slug [innocent]
    01:11.77 - DMG: VtakZ [traitor] damaged BoArAy [innocent] for 7 dmg
    01:12.23 - DMG: VtakZ [traitor] damaged BoArAy [innocent] for 12 dmg
    01:12.30 - DMG: VtakZ [traitor] damaged BoArAy [innocent] for 12 dmg
    01:12.38 - DMG: VtakZ [traitor] damaged BoArAy [innocent] for 12 dmg
    01:12.45 - DMG: VtakZ [traitor] damaged BoArAy [innocent] for 7 dmg
    01:12.68 - DMG: VtakZ [traitor] damaged GreenSprinkles [traitor] for 5 dmg
    01:12.74 - DMG: BoArAy [innocent] damaged VtakZ [traitor] for 44 dmg
    01:13.15 - DMG: Tenta, Jussy [innocent] damaged BoArAy [innocent] for 25 dmg
    01:13.56 - DMG: BoArAy [innocent] damaged VtakZ [traitor] for 44 dmg
    01:13.70 - DMG: Tenta, Jussy [innocent] damaged VtakZ [traitor] for 14 dmg
    01:13.70 - KILL: Tenta, Jussy [innocent] killed VtakZ [traitor]


    Wubby was also online, editing to add slay reasons
    (T.W.I.G.) Titan added 1 autoslays to You with the reason : 'RDM'

    and to clarify, he changed it from RDM to

    (T.W.I.G.) Titan changed the reason of You's autoslay to: 'No reason specified'. They were already autoslain 1 time(s) by (T.W.I.G.) Titan.


    I had another report and asked what i got slayed for, he says
    (T.W.I.G.) Titan to You: pee one

     
  2. Jabba the Slut

    Jabba the Slut That's Kinky! Lead Admin VIP Silver

  3. Titan

    Titan SGM's official music nerd Administrator VIP Bronze

    This is out there, dude. You reaching more than elastigirl here.

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    Here's your report.

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    Here's the slay being added...

    Now here's the kicker:

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    The slay being removed! So, honestly, mate. What exactly are you reporting? You even said the slay was removed. You right bro, this shit be some kangaroo court hunky dory hogwash.

    Some people dismiss joke reports more easily than others, but I very rarely close a report for being a joke report. As long as the victim was killed, it's a valid report to me. Why else would they feel the need to click the button that says "Yes, I was RDM'd" and type out something? It's why I didn't close this report. Sure, I coulda searched for more info. But in our little kangaroo court, the judge kangaroo isn't supposed to seek out a defense on behalf of the defense kangaroo. That's the defense's job.

    Here's the way I see it: You have to supply your reasoning at some point why you killed the person, or else I'm going to slay you. So why do you have to make the staff seek out a reason from you? It's kind of a gamble making joke responses to a report. That said, I never apply slays without giving the reported/reportee ample time to send me extra information before the slay actually occurs, and that practice continues to prevail today by letting you provide me the extra information that I needed in order to not slay you. Soooo, y'know, unless I'm getting reported for frightening you with some colorful text and a tf2 sound effect, I really don't have a lot else to add. So I'll just leave it up to my admin kangaroo @Ashes Relandi to hop about and finish up the report.

     
  4. Tentajuul

    Tentajuul VIP

    I admitted it was removed, its just a terrible terrible decision you reached,

    "You have to supply your reasoning at some point why you killed the person, or else I'm going to slay you."
    Hey atleast you admit that and I give you props for giving 100% even if its in the wrong direction, now please divert your short attention span to the rules

    5. RDM REPORTS
    1.
    Be clear when responding to or creating a RDM report.
    2. Provide any information that may be necessary to the validity of your report (i.e. traitorous acts).

    The Burden of proof doesnt reside with me.

    He said "Pee is cool right" how is that not a joke report, how am i not supposed to give a joke response. Somewhat fitting for a joke of a decision though.
     
  5. Tentajuul

    Tentajuul VIP

    I actually like the outcome of this, its open season for reports and this can be the golden standard.
     
  6. Titan

    Titan SGM's official music nerd Administrator VIP Bronze

    If you are accused of RDMing, sorry to say you do in fact have to provide a defense. Once again, I consider the fact that the person clicked the button that said "Yes, I was RDMed" accusation enough. If I am to be told that I should pursue more information from the victim (even when I don't need something from him as much as I definitely need a reason from you), then so be it, I'll ask at every whiff of a joke report.

    At the end of the day, you still have to respond to your reports in a proper fashion if you want them to be handled the way you want them to be.

    Also, if it's open season for reports, you just shot the ground, dude.
     
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2021
  7. Ashes Relandi

    Ashes Relandi ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Weeb Admin of TTT Administrator VIP Silver

    I've seen this. I'll respond later tonight.
     
  8. RyanHymenman

    RyanHymenman Conscript the women and kids Administrator VIP Silver

    Friendly neighborhood ryan dropping by to point out that the rule you posted applies for both reporting parties and reported parties. So no, while the burden of proof doesn’t reside with you to prove your innocence, you do have the burden of proof when you make a kill (ie. you have to have a reason). It is then expected for you to provide that reason upon being reported, regardless of what their report reason is. This is to help us help you. We can handle reports in a more timely manor and have a higher chance of clearing all reports each map when proper responses are given. I’m not Titan’s admin tho, so I’m not here to side with either side or say I’m just here to point out that Rule 5, that you posted, cuts both ways.
     
  9. Tentajuul

    Tentajuul VIP

    I wasnt accused of rdm, i was accused of liking pee, I responded to all accusations of the report.

    It was LITERALLY a joke report, which i got punished for and practically had to beg you to understand which i still am not convinced you do.

    These might help, https://www.amazon.com/Softgels-Featuring-Natural-Allergies-Function/dp/B017JI7C4M
     
  10. Titan

    Titan SGM's official music nerd Administrator VIP Bronze

    You were.

    You weren't.

    I'm going to lock this and wait for Ashes.
     
  11. Ashes Relandi

    Ashes Relandi ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Weeb Admin of TTT Administrator VIP Silver

    Righto,
    So this'll be a bit of a learning experience for both sides here.

    Just went through all the evidence here. No punishment was actually given as the slay was fully removed here by Titan as it was clearly shown... however....
    The report was pretty obvious that it's a joke report so generally it should have been dismissed. Though never hurts to check logs and make a consensus anyways. Titan did that and added a slay based off of your response, again this was removed by Titan since it was clearly false and honestly pretty obvious it's a valid kill.

    However what you quoted:
    As Ryan said applies to both sides. So even if someone reports you with say "dsahfajdsgfjiasdhgfuidsafghfefsygferyugfrew" after you kill them, it just helps that you give us a valid response.
    Throw us a bone and just give a proper response. If you want to meme on them, go for it but at least include why you killed them.

    Though generally the one at fault is the one who actually made the false/joke report to begin with. The RDM Manager/report system isn't for making joke or false reports. It's basically a waste of staff's time.

    But overall it's a learning experience for both.
    @Tentajuul - respond to the report properly, even if its a joke... atleast include a clear reasoning in the response.
    Also quit with the insults on a forum report. Whether a mistake was made or not, harassing someone over it isn't the way.

    @Titan - Handle these "joke/false reports" properly next time. Also be more professional when responding to these forum reports. Also don't lock reports against yourself, leave that to other staff if it's being derailed or to admins+.

    Since no punishment was actually given as the slay was removed, This report will be invalid however I'll chat with Titan about this still to avoid these types of situations.

    If you have further questions/concerns feel free to PM me on the forums or Discord.
     
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