Discussion on something that happened

Discussion in 'TTT Discussion' started by Indy226, Dec 17, 2020.

  1. littlememe

    littlememe nothinglastsforever VIP Bronze

    Let's be honest, when was the last time you saw him staff?
    He's only on for a few days
     
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  2. tz-

    tz- feelin it VIP Emerald

    how are you actually trying to defend this by saying "oh yeah he dont play you gotta give him a pass"
     
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  3. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP Silver

    I've seen him on quite often before, plus he became a mod in 6 days. From what I was told, Tmods become Mods when their admins believe they're ready. So was he not ready??
     
  4. littlememe

    littlememe nothinglastsforever VIP Bronze

    I'm not, he should actually start to staff more and learn how things work.
     
  5. Titan

    Titan SGM's official music nerd Administrator VIP Bronze

    I think you folks are putting far too much emphasis on what was perhaps a wee blunder.
     
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  6. tz-

    tz- feelin it VIP Emerald

    ...
    isnt that what tmod is for? are you saying he shouldnt be a mod or like... ???
     
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  7. littlememe

    littlememe nothinglastsforever VIP Bronze

    He was really good with dealing with reports so I guess that's why they promoted him. Mods have to learn how to deal with other things as well when they are promoted to mod.
     
  8. Indy226

    Indy226 Banned VIP Silver

    I don't think u were here for the other ones
     
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  9. Nathan776

    Nathan776 Administrator Administrator VIP Silver

    If you aren't certain about if somebody is hacking or not you show evidence to those in bunker. This is commonly done for things like bhop scripts as they are more difficult to identify but yeah also for standard gameplay if the person is not confident or new. This also helps to build a case against somebody if they are consistently having strange behavior during gameplay. I can remember one guy that occasionally plays having around 10 notes suspecting him of hacking with evidence, however nothing definitive could be found to prove he was in fact hacking. Other guys we built a case for over multiple weeks and were more keen to watch their gameplay because of prior notes/evidence.

    Hackers can be very frequent at specific times. There was one specific hacker I remember using around 70 accounts to evade bans while others would simply rejoin a couple of minutes later on a fresh account. It isn't really all that feasible. I remember at times I would wake up and admin requests would be still waiting from 8 hours prior. I can't speak for how it is now as I'm not currently on the staff team but the staff team dynamic isn't always great for discretion.

    Personally I dont see any valid evidence to support a hacking ban. This would normally be a case where you are like, "I don't see anything to support a hacking ban". I'm not sure who really would grant discretion over this evidence.
     
  10. Titan

    Titan SGM's official music nerd Administrator VIP Bronze

    what do you mean?

    i've been around sgm for 7 years. idk wym by other ones

    I assure you there is a protocol for hacking bans. It's tried and true. It works. Perhaps the protocol was slipped a bit today. A mistake quickly, and easily fixed. There's no need to question one's staffing ability, or the staff team as a whole, there's really no need for a huge post either. A mistake was made, a mistake was fixed. That's it. Nothing more needs to be said. Why is this such a huge deal?
     
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  11. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    He was banned before an admin saw the evidence, hence the reason he got unbanned.
     
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  12. tz-

    tz- feelin it VIP Emerald

    if youve been here for 7 years then you should know that we've had a problem with staff members falsely banning good players for like 3-4 years now lmfao

    edit; also how you gonna say that it's just a "mistake?" this hurts the whole playerbase of the community by showing us that you have an incompetent staff team. dolphy literally said he was gonna hit the dash if you guys ban him again, do you think having an incredibly popular player that contributes heavily to the re-pop of servers leave is a good thing?
     
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  13. Titan

    Titan SGM's official music nerd Administrator VIP Bronze

    Mhmm. Isolated instances. There's no rampant infestation of ill-informed staff members. There are one off mistakes. That happens in an online game community of a 14 year old game with a sample size of forty staff members over 4 years.

    Edit: rate it dumb all you want. what's the point this thread? Look at the ban list, look how many hacking bans there are. None are erroneous. The system we have works. I get the vibe that you are calling for a total remaster of the protocol through which staff deals with hackers. That's misguided.
     
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  14. ori with a gun

    ori with a gun just vibin VIP

    i was not involved with this at all but i agree with titan, i think y'all are reading too much into something that could just be considered a simple mistake. staff are human too, i'm sure i can speak for everyone by saying we make mistakes and that's ok.

    however even in the short time i've been here tz- brings up a great point, this has seemed like a decently consistent issue where every couple weeks or so someone gets false banned for hacking. all we can do is to be more certain giving out these types of bans and learn from the past.

    i mean if a person does appeal and it turns out they were not hacking they're gone for at worst 4 or 5 days? usually its about 1. at most its just a mild inconvenience.

    but this incident ain't enough to justify a community uproar or any level of arguing this has caused, let's just try to be a bit more understanding of each other.
     
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  15. what the fuck no they aren't lmao
     
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  16. tz-

    tz- feelin it VIP Emerald

    alright im mad now and am just gonna repost this dumbshit here; the majority of the staff team are completely incapable of properly handling hacking bans

    how the fuck are you guys so bad at gmod and stupid that you let cases like @Dolphy happen? like honestly, there was no sign of any hacking what-so-ever in whoever's trash ass GYAZO GIF recording they used as "evidence" and the fact that it apparently wasnt even reviewed properly before banning is even more worrisome

    the whole sgm staff team needs to stop being stupid; if you as a staff member are not 1000% confident, in any capacity, to make a hacking ban, fucking dont. if you consistenly get out-gunned and dont understand basic movement skills, dont even think about making a hacking ban without at least 5 other opinions from people who are actually good at catching hackers, which i dont think there are even that amount in the staff team.

    like you have all pointed out, you are in that staff bunker on discord, post your evidence and ask for opinions; if your opinion is limited to "idk seems sus" shut the fuck up and dont talk

    all hacking bans need to be made with 100% certainty and, since for some reason like 90% of this community is bad at gmod, if you are not good yourself or have little knowledge on how a good player actually moves and aims then dont put out your shit opinions that can lead to false bans that lead to a heavy decline in the community player and staff relations.

    you cant say that these are "small mistakes," you lose chunks of the player-base due to shit like this, imagine if dolphy - the mf who repops server just by being friends with a lot of players - gets banned and never comes back causing the barely popped servers to not get re-popped as often as they do now?

    also @Titan youre dumb as shit you wanna know why there arent hacking bans on the fucking ban list BECAUSE THE BAN LIST SHOWS PERMA BANS WE DONT EVEN PERMA BAN HACKERS UNTIL THEYVE DONE IT 6+ TIMES
     
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  17. if you're a new moderator and want to get a second opinion on if someone's hacking or not, don't ask the staff team. they're all DOODOO at video games and play with track pads. just dm me the footage instead for a more reliable check.
     
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  18. Pokeben10

    Pokeben10 tell me pretty lies Moderator VIP Silver

    You seem to care a whole lot about a server you never play on.
     
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  19. Titan

    Titan SGM's official music nerd Administrator VIP Bronze

    I'll reply to this. First off, it's either a mistake or it isn't. This was an erroneous decision. By definition, a mistake. And yes, of course tz, because of one misplaced ban, the entirety of the staff team can now be summized as incompetent. Perhaps you're projecting?


    I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that there's going to be a mass exodus because of a fucking misplaced ban. Holy shit dude, mountain out of a molehill much? You're creating fucking Everest. If you want to leave this community because one one small fucking mistake, that did not even affect you, then good riddance. I would hope the majority of humans would be able to see past their bias and realize that it is human nature to make mistakes, and to be tolerant of that fact.

    I really appreciate you calling me dumb as shit. It really shows your intolerance. The kicker is you put a completely irrelevant follow up to it. Try better next time, dude.
     
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  20. Dolphy

    Dolphy VIP

    Mistake or not Im just shocked out of all clips I get banned off of that one. Ive sent so many sketchy clips to other staff and publicly.
     
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