Completed Report against Woet

Name of Staff/Player:

Woet​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

STEAM_0:1:17378921​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:48566585​

Which Server:

Vanilla​

Which Map:

ttt_nether, ttt_mc_richland, ttt_mc_office, ttt_minecraftmotel​

Which Round:

many different rounds​

Time of Occurence:

today's incidents between 10:30AM-12:00PM EST​

Reason For Report:

Constant T-baiting, breaking rules such as no camping/hiding during fun rounds, or when there's a few people alive, trolling, and just generally setting a poor example as a mod.​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

About two and a half weeks ago when I was still new to the server, I took a video of some things Woet had been doing (namely T-Baiting and somewhat trolling). I had no forum account yet so I messaged a Lead Admin I had seen on the server with the video, who passed it along to Woet's admin, Espurr (though he appears to have been removed from the staff list yesterday).

Screenshot of conversation: https://i.imgur.com/cGWyEs2.png
That video can be found here:

I was told Espurr would talk to Woet, and I accepted that as a response and moved on. However, I'm reporting now because there has been absolutely no change in Woet's behavior. He still T-baits wantonly, still trolls people, and still hides/camps when he shouldn't be, without any care for the rules.

New video here:

I would like to note that while I disagree in general with how Woet plays and acts, these are not recordings from the last two weeks. Aside from the first clip, which was from yesterday, these are all from a period of a little over one hour.

Timestamps:
0:00- Hiding during One in the Chamber (notable quote, "I'm an admin, I forgive myself")
0:48- Woet T-baiting by shooting at me (the detective) with my back turned
1:10- Woet T-baiting in a hallway full of people, and claiming there was no one
1:36- Woet trolling by locking me in the tester, and telling me to send him points to get out. He also discourages everyone else from opening it, and I couldn't get out until someone else came along way later.
2:44- Woet (inno) shooting at me (traitor) from attic window, then claiming that the person who was shooting was Colinz (which would have ended in RDM had I not been T and known Colinz was also innocent). Also camping that entire round, mocking the mod who told him to stop camping, and then brushing off the original shots that set off the whole chain of events.
4:31- Woet kills Pwnage and runs away without IDing body, both were innocent.
5:06- Woet camping on top as one of the last 3 people (him and the other were Traitor). When I say he shouldn't have been camping, and should be setting an example as a mod, he tells everyone else that if they're traitor, they should camp in the same place he was.

Again, there was something I didn't have my recording software up in time to catch, before the first clip, yesterday. I shot an innocent by accident while chasing and shooting Roy, who was a traitor. I explained myself in the ensuing report and was autoslayed by Woet right before the next round started with the reason "An honest slay for an honest mistake", and when Roy saw this he gave a lot of "eeeeh, eeeeeeeeeh" non-committal sounds of disapproval which I thought were appropriate. Of course I don't have that one on camera so unless @roy the ghost ship corroborates that one it won't matter in this report.

Is this excessive? Yeah honestly, but I think that staff should be the face of a community. When there's a regular that you dread seeing come online, it sucks and can ruin the experience of a server. When that person is a staff member, that feels way worse. I'm going to leave it up to @Lead Vladmin the Impaler (who, from what I can tell, is listed as Woet's admin now) and the other admins and mods to decide if this is how staff should act.

(edit: forgot that half of this is karma baiting, and I think that's generally unacceptable from mods who don't have to worry about karma bans etc while I came rather close to being karma banned due to people t-baiting and rdming)​

 

@Lead Vladmin the Impaler as their Supervisor/Lead Admin

 

I'll leave the rest untouched as it's up to his lead admin @Lead Vladmin the Impaler but I can provide a little context here for this section.

Unfortunately I won't be able to pull the recording until tonight at the earliest, but this was on motel when I was constantly doing the jump in the pit / back to roof / gun some people down / back to the pit loop for a while. While I'm a little bit fuzzy on the details, I know I have a recording of the death scene I can pull. I recall you were shooting/chasing me as I was getting back to the pit and ended up killing the wrong person. From what I recall, when I was reviewing the DS I saw an argument to be made for the person being GBA and didn't completely agree with the call to slay, but if I remember correctly I think the slay was applied right before a round started so there wasn't really time to debate it. I'll pull the footage and provide it here just so everything is on the table.

 

The issue with hiding/camping during fun rounds is that people use it to get an advantage (wait until it's a 1v1 to win) or to delay the round. I don't do either, I just spectate and let myself be killed by the last person without firing a shot.

How did this affect you? I never do this towards people with low karma and try to avoid RDM trains. If it did cause a RDM train, I slay myself accordingly (which I think happened once so far).

T-baiting is shooting towards people. Shooting a wall/ceiling is not T-baiting.

Literally happens all the time on jondome, I don't see anything wrong with this unless it's targeted and happens multiple times.

It would not have ended in RDM, because saying "Colinz shot you" is not a KOS.

It's not camping until the majority is dead, so it cannot be "the entire round". I also personally don't consider the attic camping because of the large amount of space and multiple entrances/exits, especially considering the short amount of time I spent there after the majority was dead and identified.

I don't recall exactly, but from my perspective, Pwnage killed someone. Since there were other people closer to the body than me, I decided to go back to my crowbar fight with Aegis.

Spending 30 seconds on a roof getting multiple kills in a row is not camping.

Your response to the report was "it was a honest mistake". That's admitting to the RDM, hence the slay. It's important to give an accurate response to reports (e.g. "crossfire shooting roy") if that is in the fact the case. As far as I recall though, there was no crossfire, you just confused two people during a chase. I'm happy to pull my recording if you believe I recall incorrectly.

 

Why do it at all? Why karma bait and generally troll people at all? You're not playing the game the way it's meant to be played, and playing it in a way that can get other people banned. Especially since detectives lose karma at a much steeper pace (and this wasn't even the first time you did this to me while I was detective).

Your first shots were towards the crowd. You turned away and aimed at the archway after.

Again, why do it once? Why troll someone who's just trying to play the game?

Had I not been traitor (and therefore be able to know Colinz and you were both inno), and believed you, I would have KOSed him because I was the one being shot at. You also still never justified why you were shooting at me so I'm just gonna chalk that one up.

You were in there since before the clip started, which was at least the second half of the round. I don't know how much earlier you went there but you were still there for an extended period of time.

idk if getting back to a crowbar fight is justification for a T act (turning away from unIDed after shooting them) so I'll leave that one in the air.

My report literally did have the full story. The "it was an honest mistake" was the last of probably 4 sentences.

Anyways, most of these don't feel like you were saying you weren't doing these things, and more like you're justifying why you did these things or why what you did wasn't wrong. So this'll be the end of my two cents, and your admin can decide if the things you did were wrong or not, because you certainly didn't deny doing them.

 

Because people play games in different ways. Even though it's called Serious TTT, for some people just sticking strictly to the gamemode is not fun, especially after thousands of hours.

Then you would have RDMd, because you can't KOS based on that. I don't need justification for shooting towards you, although it was probably to see how you would react and determine whether you are a likely traitor or not.

I was there from the beginning of the round, but it's not camping unless the majority is dead and identified. And again, I think the area is big enough not to be considered camping.

You don't need justification for a T act.

I'll pull my recording tomorrow, I'm fairly sure that was the entire response.

Correct, because why would I lie and deny doing things that both your and my recordings demonstrate?

 

So, just to add the recordings I was able to find:

Here is the footage of that entire fun round: https://streamable.com/ncw2pa

As you can see:

1. I'm actively chatting in the admin chat to deal with a RDM & leave.
2. I'm constantly checking if I'm the last one alive to make sure I'm not delaying.
3. I make a joke saying "I'm an admin, I forgive myself, there are no other mods on anyways" when there are 3 other mods on.
4. When you mentioned Bork was also camping, I came out with a crowbar and made no attempt at killing you.

Spoiler: Screenshot of the report

Honestly, my quality is too terrible to make out the response, but you are right that it had multiple sentences. That being said, your response does not claim any reason why it would not be RDM and both the trial moderator and myself determined that you mistook the identity of someone during the chase and that is indeed RDM. Hopefully @roy the ghost ship has better quality footage to confirm.

All the shots were aimed at the wall: https://streamable.com/tl61eh

I've done this before, usually I do this to avoid getting killed before people ID the body as traitor: https://streamable.com/r7h02o

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Hopefully this footage clears some stuff up. That being said, let it be clear that I'm not in-game to actively ruin your or other peoples experience. Based on your responses in-game and lack of complaints in admin chat or towards the other staff that was online, I thought you understood this all to be in jest. I'll try to be better at recognising people that are not up for this and I'll err on the side of caution in the future. Apologies for any bad experiences you might have had.

 

“I was chasing a traitor (roy) and you popped up exactly where he just was while i was chasing him, was an honest mistake.”

 

yeah that's what I typed, thank you. anyways, the slay isn't anything I'm really concerned with, I threw that in kind of as an afterthought. this is more generally just about how woet plays and trolls, i don't normally have an issue with how he handles reports or anything

 

Just throwing this in here since it was included in your original post, here's a death scene for the report where you were slain. Personally I see the argument that this guy was GBA as he never fired a shot while you were getting killed by me. I probably would have clarified your report response before issuing a slay, and personally I probably wouldn't have slain you (though I recognize I'm on the more lenient side in general). I think Woet just tends to take things more literally in his approach so if you don't say "GBA" in your response, he won't consider it. I could see this specific report going either way based on discretion, so I can understand Woet's reason for issuing a slay here.

https://streamable.com/5tua8p
(It's worth noting this is in slow-motion, so this was actually a matter of only 3 seconds in real-time)

Blue one shooting = me
Red = you
Green = Kyle Rittenhouse (who reported you)