The Point of Denying Forgiveness?

I believe it has to do with the level a staff member has unless things have changed. When I was a mod, you could only enforce the rules. The admin and above could use judgement to change or remove punishment. Seems fair to me.

 

The first thing i can tell you why you sometimes won't get it it is because forgiveness doesn't exists. The staff here handle with discretion, but they moderators can only give discretion for a few certain things like accidental rdm.

So if you have a mod that wants to give discretion for your harsher punishment, then it falls behind their line of duty and they have to seek the discretion higher up and we all know that admins are not here 24/7.

Another reason might be that you rdm player 1, 2 and 3 and be like ohw it was a accident when there was none and those players individualy seek the forgiveness. This would allow for players to get away with a ban and therefor not even a lead would allow for discretion for this punishment (this also breaks their protocol if they do give discretion, imma report them then).

So for a correct answer you have to ask every punishment case by case since there are a lot of cases where discretion is not a option for staff.

 

If theres no rehabilitation, then what is the punishment for? Eye for an eye?

 

To put it in perspective:

guy accidentally rdms some guy, or some weird circumstances

some guy forgives initial guy

THE MOD, STARING DOWN THE REPORT, DRIPPED IN MOUNTAIN DEW AND FURIOUSLY HIGH ON ADRENALINE AFTER HIS RECENT BOUT WITH HIMSELF AFTER MASTURBATING FOR SIX HOURS STRAIGHT TO LITTLE ANIME GIRLS, NERVOUSLY GLANCES AT THE FORGIVENESS OPTION PRESENTED BEFORE HIM. HE HAS TO ENFORCE THE RULES. THE ROOM GOES SILENT. HE CAN FEEL THE AIR AROUND HIM. TENSE. IF HE LETS THE GUY KEEP PLAYING...THE SERVER COULD DESCEND INTO CHAOS. THE SERVER HINGES ON HIS SLAY. THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS HERE. HE HAS TO PRESERVE THE SERVER. HE HAS TO MAINTAIN CONTROL.

OTHERWISE I DUNNO EVERYONE WOULD JUST HAVE A GOOD TIME OR SOMETHING

 

One also won’t be “rehabilitated” when they are punished unfairly, since you seem to agree that rehabilitation IS the point of punishment on these servers. Imagine you back into your neighbors car and your neighbor (after initially being mad) forgives you and lets you go, and then the cops pull you over and arrest you for hit and run. What does that do but build resentment? That doesn’t teach any lesson, and there is no gain for anyone. Its just living under the “rules are rules” technicality which already gets bent on our servers quite a bit.

PS: If you really are talking about me in the end and not generally then you have absolutely no clue what you’re talking about lol

 

Imagine not being allowed to converse a point that you find questionable without being directly plagued by it. Also, imagine to jumping to assumptions xD. The point of this thread is for constructive conversation, and I have considered all of the above points and I see their side and seeing the revival of this post that was long dead, decided to jump back in with an offhand joke. Also what the fuck yes you play with me so often wtf im honestly surprised.

 

honestly no matter what happened, the player who made the report should be allowed to forgive no matter what. Like yeah you are allowed to forgive, and most often times it's granted, but the forgive button should be added (instead of saying something in admin chat and then watch the guy get slayed anyways and the message get ignored) so if I report someone because they did some really retarded shit, and then they make a funny joke as a response I should be able to forgive the report because they made me smile smh my head, i'm the victim here, if I don't want the person to get slayed then.. don't slay

it should be accepted 100% of the time. If I wanna forgive some poptart that beat my ass with a barrel for no reason in spawn, I should be able to, even if mr mod man goes "reeee they need to be slAyEd bEcUAse thEY did A BaD tHInG sO thEy leArN a LEsSOn!!"

Spoiler: yeet

I feel as if i'm speaking for many, but if my dumbass get's slayed, being forgiven won't make me be feel "rehabilitated" but being slayed won't make me "rehabilitated" either, the people on here aren't little kids/ 5 years old lmao, not playing the game for 3 minutes while I watch youtube in the background isn't gonna make me 'learn'

 

Honestly, Point Number 3 is a point I have never considered but that makes total sense and I understand why forgiveness would be denied there. Point 4 ehh I guess I can see it.

 

Another situation that can not be forgiven, is a mass rdm, so even if all the players involved forgive him, we still have to ban him.

 

But then again, who says they are gonna do it again? If they intentionally RDMed and it didn't bother me because I was an innocent and it didn't really effect me, and didn't start an RDM chain, why slay them? Like yeah I get point 4 and 3, sometimes it creates big RDM chains and that's obviously bad, but i'm talking about just kinda 1 on 1 things

So I guess I can rephrase what I said this way;
If I am intentionally RDMed, and it didn't cause any major events/ problems, I should be allowed to forgive no matter what, even if the mod thinks they need to learn a 'lesson' or however you want to put it because they MAY do it again the next round, slaying them wont always make them stop doing it either. It's different for everyone, if that person does decide he wants to kill another random person the next round then they can report him and get him slayed, maybe the guy will stop, maybe the guy will continue on RDMing and simply end up getting a ban. You never know



But then again i've seen some cases where it didn't cause RDM chain, was an accident, and didn't really cause an impact on the round at all, so it basically fell under every point you said, and staff still slayed them after being asked for forgiveness-

 

Ok Boomer post: Back I'm my day the only forgiveness was for goomba stomps, every other rdm was a slay regardless of accident or messing around or if the rdm'd wanted to forgive. The argument for this that made the most sense to me was groups of friends playing. Say I'm new to the server and I see somebody just cap someone at the start of the round and they were both innocent, staff is on but nothing happens. This continues for a few rounds. What is actually a group of friends just messing around and forgiving each other looks to me like a server that allows blatant rdm. Now either I join in on RDMing and then get slain or I leave for a server that's more serious to the rules.

Today the rules allow for more forgiveness and it seems to work okay but I still believe that allowing total forgiveness in the hands of the players can lead to groups of friends ignoring the point of the game cause they'll just forgive each other

 

You look really silly now...

 

yOu LoOk ReAlLy SiLlY nOw...

 

You don’t think I was actually arguing for the inverse, do you? I was simply giving the opposite extreme to removing forgiveness altogether. I don’t know what you guys have against me for wanting to talk about this ruling, its honestly ridiculous. One person gets on my case for no goddamn reason and then you do. You guys are fucking weird. I wish it was possible to close a post. I got constructive answers, some of which have changed my mind and my stance, but some of you are just really fucking toxic and weird.

 

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