Rejected Make Hacking a Permabannable Offense

So I had the pleasure of playing with and reporting over 10 hackers in the last few hours. So needless to say, I'm a little pissed.

I'm just gonna get into the reasons why this suggestion should be made a thing:

• More likely than not they won't learn that hacking is bad
• 1 month ban from 1 server is absolutely ridiculous considering the fact most servers permaban on first offense
• They will just hop to a different server if they can't play on one (hence why most hackers are immediately banned for their 2nd offense right after the first)
• It takes resources and time to gather evidence and report
• Hackers don't give a shit
• Takes pretty much all of the fun out of the game
• They don't deserve a 2nd chance. Hacking is a conscious effort. There is nothing behind hacking except mal-intent and maybe not enough love from their mommy as a child, but mostly mal-intent.
• There is literally 0 downside to banning hackers permanently

The current banning system is outdated and lenient as fuck.

At the VERY least, hacking bans should be globalized for several months on first offense, and there should be no "statute of limitations" for hacking. Nobody should be hacking at all, let alone twice. Fuck your "second chances".

If it makes you happy, we can let them appeal their ban, if you really want.

 

Yeah I see servers that do this and there are no hackers all the time. +1

 

Well shit..... Pigs can fly....

I actually agree with Python on something.

 

wheres my thread someone dig my thread up im fucking mad

 

I totally agree. Hackers are hackers. They aren't gonna come back in a month and be like "Alright I'm not gonna hack anymore". And if there is that magical one well, that's what appeals are for, right?

 

why wasn't this a thing from the jump

 

Year long ban is better

 

Don't tell rice and chicken or Dazza.

 

Why aren't hackers permabanned in the first place? +1

 

Well, since I was still mod at the time, I feel like I have to comment.
I personally like SOME leniency. Before the update, hacking bans were notoriously difficult to appeal, and still are. Now, I definitely do like the permanent ban on second offense, but it puts significant strain on the Upper Administration. If this is to be implemented, how about we give a little more leniency in appeals for them instead?

 

My head hurts from reading this. How is it possible to even try arguing that someone that deliberately goes out of their way to ruin the gameplay for others isnt malicious. How can you possibly say that a cheater that downloads cheats so they can cheat, isnt doing so while acknowledging that what they are doing is wrong and hurting everyones gameplay. I find this cheater defending shit completely ridiculous when its one of our only offences that you cant explain with ignorance of the rules or some other obscure thing, like you technically could with something like RDM and toxicity

I would gladly like to hear example of these people, because quite frankly I cant come up with a single one.

 

okay guys i have a solution

why not just perma ban after 3rd offense so they still get a 2nd chance
ezpz we're done here lock the thread boys

 

Hackers with no malicious intent? Im sure you would still be mad if a robber with no malicious intent broke into your house and stole your stuff. I mean come on, a hacker that has their hacks on is clearly trying to have fun at other peoples expense. A thief steals knowing its wrong, a hacker hacks knowing its wrong. The intent doesnt make a difference. And if I find out that this "no malicious intent" stance is circulating the staff team because Rice and Chicken (hacker insignificant) boosted all of your asses in R6, Im gonna blast the servers with lewd furry sprays.

Edit: And thats a credible threat, dont mark me dumb because you will be dumb (Vent Xekart)

 

You expect me to read your mind and know you were talking about bhop scripters? You didn't mention that in your message. I (and probably everyone else here) are talking about aimbot/wallhack/esp/etc. Also, wouldn't it not matter how long you ban the person for if they can just appeal if they truly regret their actions? Unless theres something special about perms that I dont know, they could appeal at anytime. Also the rice thing was a (half) joke. Your original message gets really hard to understand at the end for me, you say a 32w would tide them over, but like whats the point? A person that would appeal a 32w hacking ban would also appeal a perma, so why not just perma?

 

sgm logic:
perma ban people who "leak" things that were already available to the public

oh yea baby let me suck you here have a second chance hackers, wanna hack again sure come by again baby lets do this!

 

No it is not. You can ghost by accident and I've seen it multiple times. A new player might not know that messaging someone that the last person alive is AFK in a certain spot is ghosting. They're just trying to hurry up the round. But have you ever met a new player that is using cheats legitimately not know that what they're doing is breaking the rules? I'm betting no.

Yes, I agree, BUT! That chance should not be guaranteed like it is now. Like we've repeated multiple times, cheating takes an actual conscious effort to do. Why should putting the conscious effort in to beyond any reasonable doubt break the rules and ruin the gameplay of others be met with an automatic second chance? If a cheater wants a 2nd chance, make them earn it.

I don't know about VeLs case so I can't really comment on that.
And sorry Echo, but as much as he might've "contributed" to this place, this guy cheated on EUnilla for months if even more. A ton of people knew about it but it was impossible to catch him because of how careful he was. Pretty sure he only got caught because he admitted to it eventually. Can't really say that's not "malicious" intent when it's something you do for so fucking long. I would not call his "contributions" enough to make up for the amount of hours of legitimate fair gameplay people lost because they had to play with this guy.

And again, It's not really even about cheaters not being able to reform. It's the fact that a cheater doesn't need to show that they're reformed to be forgiven. They just get unbanned automatically.