Invalid Report against DarkShiny

Name of Staff/Player:

DarkShiny​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

Didn't manage to grab it before I left.​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:41106947​

Which Map:

Not sure what it's called​

Which Round:

Not sure/relevant as evidence should be sufficient​

Time of Occurence:

Around 16:40 (UK Time)​

Reason for Report:

Negligent Behaviour
I wouldn't normally complain about something as little this, but I feel DarkShiny's attitude in this particular situation was unacceptable and it easily suggests a potential for lack of good, ethical situational judgement in the future.

A player was propsurfing to the corner of the sea, see below:
http://plays.tv/video/5b310f832c4749fc87

I took a screenshot, as below, and included this in a report:


The response I received was rude, accusing me of so-called 'backseat moderating' (which I don't believe I was doing, and isn't something stipulated as wrong in the server rules regardless).



I do not expect to have accusations made against me for using the report feature that is accessible to players when, in my perspective, I was only using correctly and within the rules. I made no attempt to challenge the user by myself, other than through making a report.

Finally I do not believe that the report should have been dismissed. The rules state:


If DarkShiny would be kind enough to demonstrate how the area that the aforementioned player was surfing in can be accessed without using a prop, that would be excellent.​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

Embedded above.​

 

I'll respond as soon as I have all my evidence collected. Tagging @andrewca79 while I am doing this. I also moved it in the correct subform.

 

Alright. So first off all prop surfing.

This is from our extend rules. However, it is also stated in the basic rules under prop surfing. Simply prop surfing in the sky is allowed, however, going onto an unreachable area and taking advantage of that isn't. The player was still in sight of other players and never went on any buildings to gain advantage. Thus, in this case, prop surfing was allowed.

Then this :

I mentioned your backseat moderating, because you reported someone, even though you knew I already handled it and you saw that.
Here's the according evidence :

Spoiler

After I handled your report, in which you mentioned racial slurs, I went ahead and checked it. However, "nigga" is allowed on our servers. The -er ending however isn't, I finished the report and you then reported him for that. However, I already checked it, thus I told you not to backseat moderate since I was fully aware of the situation.
Backseat moderating is not allowed while staff is online. Staff are supposed to help people and handle situations like these and enforce the rules, not players. Since staff was online during the time you made that, I warned you to stop. I also got no further pm's from you, so I couldn't know whether you were concerned about my warning or not.

 

See OP. The screenshot I took was from the extended rules, the areas highlighted SPECIFICALLY CONDEMN propsurfing to areas which are not normally player accessible, such as over the sea that damages players.

You are mentioning being 'in sight' as significant, but this is not implied anywhere in the rule set.

Your first screenshot shows me responding to someone else's report, not me reporting the player. I then went on to report his behaviour.

That's your decision. But again, the report you closed was a report against me - not him. I am new to this community and wasn't aware that you're able to see my response to that player. The fact that you see this as 'backseat moderating' is comical, perhaps it's a belief secondary to a lust for authority?

Specified where? Even so, this is not what I was doing - I was simply reporting another member's actions.

You can preach the same point over and over all you wish, this doesn't change the fact that:

• I was not 'backseat moderating', otherwise you'd be calling everyone who uses the report system a backseat moderator.
• I was not attempting to enforce the rules myself in any way, shape or form.

 

no it means you should shut the fuck up

 

To summarise:

• You should not have accused me of breaking a rule that does not exist in spite of me trying to be a helpful member.
• Your rationale for not handling the 'surfing' does not coincide with the rules that, as said by yourself, you are here to enforce.

EDIT:
Taken from the forum rules, your community definition of 'backseat moderating' appears to be as follows:

I did exactly as the rule said I should by reporting. It's shameful that you think it's appropriate to wrongfully accuse a member just because you don't agree with a report.

A more appropriate solution would be to have explained what you just have - that your community does not condemn the use of that word.

 

What’s the point of this report man?

 

I was surfing above the sea on mc_island, how does it considered “large gap”?
In fact I was putting my own life at risk because the water actually damages you

 

It's not a report against you, it's purpose is clearly explained within should you have any other motive to read it.

 

https://gyazo.com/b7680dd4030e8507ee22132b5f137117
Taken from the extend rules.

He did neither of those reasons.

Referring to above.

Basically he prop flied into the sky, which is totally allowed. He never went onto any building or did anything which could give you in any way some kind of advantage. He simply was staying in the sky, flying there around. Everyone was able to see him and could take him down any time.

Going with your response, you mentioned that he used racial slurs in which I looked into.

"nigga" is allowed as long as it doesn't get abused. The 2nd reason is explained in the previous quote.

I was fully aware of the situation of what happened. It is true that you can report anything violating a rule, however, even though I was aware of the apparently violated rule, you still decided to go on reporting him. As said, I already handled the report, including the racial slur and your actual reasoning. If you had pm'd me or talked to me in any way, I could have clarified for you that, as I thought you knew it was allowed by the time I finished everything. However, there was no message from you, thus I couldn't explain it to you more detailed.

I didn't do anything against him, as he was allowed to prop surf into the sky. If he went to an unreachable area (on this map the top of the tower), then I would have tp'ed him back down. However, this wasn't the case.

 

Since you're keen on citing this:

The area is unreachable as it is above a part of the map that will eventually kill a player unless they propsurf.

I didn't continue to report anyone, I reported it just the once. Your accusation was unfounded and rude. I'm fairly new to your community and I'm not 100% on what is acceptable/not acceptable in terms of basic conduct (such as these slurs), but when I'm reporting it with only the best intentions I do not expect to be wrongly 'told off'.

Understand that I am not capable of reading your mind, don't assume that I'm aware of anything.

 

Hi @Ampulla thank you for taking the time to report my moderator @DarkShiny. Let's get into it.

Prop surfing into the sky, as long as you are in sight, is allowed. By unreachable area, the rules mean and area you can go and walk around in that you can only access via props, like the top of the lighthouse in b5. This does not include the sky, therefore Cereal did not break any rules. Now onto the backseat moderating, the report feature in game is used mainly for RDM purposes, such as if someone RDMed you., first and foremost. Secondly, you had already informed DarkShiny about the usage of the word "nigga" in the response of that previous report, however you still reported him for saying the word. This can be considered backseat moderating as the staff are already aware of the issue and after you reported them, DarkShiny politely asked you to stop backseat moderating, which I see no harm in doing. I therefore am going to mark this report as invalid. If you have any further questions feel free to contact me.

Report: Invalid
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