Gun Control

One area of focus could be training people how to use guns. Make citizens who wish to own guns go through Militia-esque training, or have some sort of testing/courses like driver's training. This will not reduce the number of guns, persay, but it will ensure that people armed with weapons (legally) will, overall, use them in a safer and more beneficial manner. With three different licenses depending on it's use


Hunting License: Weapons are held at Government or NRA sponsored locations to be checked in and out before one goes hunting. This would be the easiest license to obtain, but also the most regulated, and would require only a demonstration you aren't going to shoot your own foot off if you try using it.

Housing License: Weapons are held within your own home. It would be illegal to remove weapons from said home, unless under an active threat (IE, burglar breaks into your home and you end up on the front lawn), transporting for maintenance, going to a gun range, relocation of home, or legal trade. Weapons must be secured during transportation (Locked in a case and disassembled). Standard psychological tests, criminal records, etc etc.

Open Carry/General use: Weapons are able to freely be carried about, so long as you are carrying the proper permits for said weaponry. To obtain such a license, one would need to demonstrate adequate use of said firearm, take safety/situation classes, have a clean record and clean mental state. Allow teachers to acquire a special version of this license, with the stipulation their firearm must be locked away at all times, they are not allowed to tell students about it, and maybe even have a key mechanism to the gun (easily assembled) be separated from the rest (IE, the gun is assembled inside their locked desk, with the striker on their person, or vice-versa, in case of emergency). This prevents students from ever having ready access to the gun, in a way that makes the weapon dangerous.


This would overall be beneficial, as more rigorous vetting would make people more comfortable with the idea of other's being armed in public. In turn, this would encourage people who pass the vetting to carry their firearm more frequently, and more places would allow guns to be carried inside of them, and the safer those places would be. There are already far to many guns in this country, and at this point, what we have to do isn't remove the weapons, it's improve our use of them, and integrate them into our society, rather than have a rough clash of "All the Guns or No Guns". Not sure I explained this perfectly, and I probably missed a point here or there, but just a rough outline.

 

Do you not understand what a burner is? Making gun laws more strict isn't going to change much as it is. The illegal gun trade is a huge deal and most of those guns are untracable. So what is your solution to that? If someone wants somebody dead there going to do it regardless if there are strict laws against it or not. The answer isn't as simple as lets just ban all guns because the US just has to many in circulation as it is. If you truly want change your going to have to change human morality as a whole because thats the true problem. No regard for human life.

 

You aren't going to change human morality. It's the same dumb argument I keep hearing of "Teach men not to rape". Rapists are going to rape. Murderers are going to murder. Or at least attempt to. Criminals are criminals, and those hardened to that path will always find a way. What you can do is make the people around them more eager and more capable to respond and stop such atrocities, in ways that don't endanger themselves or the people they are trying to protect.

There is no better way to stop someone from committing a crime than to make that person think they have no chance of getting away with it. If people were required to take professional training before being permitted to carry a firearm, if we removed the social stigma of guns, if we reached the point where 1/10, or even 1/100 people had that professional training, and everyone knew it? There would be a lot less crime, especially petty crime. Gun-related accidents will be reduced. Black market gun sales will become reduced, because excess firearms will become pointless.

And to clarify, training wouldn't just be 'How to shoot a gun'. It would also include when to shoot a gun, which is arguably the more important of the two.


Stricter gun laws aren't the solution, but better regulated and more integrated laws are. There will always be crime, in any society. Nothing about humans precludes criminal behavior. There are simply to many guns out there, far to easily accessible, to prevent criminal ownership or intent. This means the next step is to make it as dangerous for criminals as possible to try and perform their crimes (And that both innocent and guilty parties are confident only the criminals will be in danger), and the step right after is to make sure enough people have enough training that responses are swift and efficient, without endangering innocent people.

 

Why does everyone assume people like me want to "ban all guns". Where are you getting this information from? At no point in this entire thread did I say that should be the case. I actually said the exact opposite in the OP

Anyway, I figured you would like to know that the 19 year old who shot up the school in Parkland 2 days ago bought his AR-15 legally, and had made comments about killing people and shooting up schools months prior to the attack

If humans have a morality problem, why does the US then have the most homicide rates over any other country, especially with guns? Why aren't people in other countries, ya know, killing each other at the same rate as the US with bombs and cars if they don't have access to guns?

Oh right, because it is entirely inefficient to kill people using any other means other than a gun. Take away the guns, and people are left to their own devices. They're the most inexpensive and the most efficient way of taking a life

No, I don't have a solution to the illegal gun trade and untrackable weapons going on in this fucked country. Do you? We should just do nothing then? Because if you can't fix something immediately, you shouldn't bother to fix it one step at a time?

God forbid a future gun owner has to jump through a couple hoops to obtain a weapon that has the capabilities to take a human life away in the blink of an eye. Your rights should never be infringed upon, regardless of the amount of people that have to die. Well, so long if none of them are you right? I would find it highly ironic for anyone defending their right to bear arms get shot for no reason by a person who legally purchased their firearm.

Its not like countless countries are doing just fine by completely banning guns, and that's not even what I'm suggesting, so the fact you can't come to an agreement or even an understanding completely baffles me.

 

You'd probably get a better response if you used short and simple sentences than typing essays for every response that no one wants to read.

 

Not reading all that, just read the first few lines. A few simple google search lands you here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

United States 92nd in homicide

 

Doesn't matter to me if they don't want to read it. If they don't want to read my points, they shouldn't be arguing here in the first place. I like talking, sue me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, might've exaggerated
However, the 93 countries (by murder rate) ahead of us are mainly African and South American, which have hardly any policies on gun control whatsoever.
Hell, the only countries that aren't in Africa or South/Central America above the US are Russia (#38), Philippines (#48), and Lithuania (#87), excluding the Middle East
If you want to compare the US (#94) with other civilized nations like Japan (#212), China (#194), Norway (#206), Switzerland (#199), Germany (#190), UK (#183), Canada (#158), we're a long way off

Congrats tho I guess, you proved that we're better than nations currently at war, and worse than North Korea and Iran

 

Owning guns is illegal everywhere in Africa.

Edit: I'm sure there a couple where you can own a gun, but for the most part, completely illegal.
Edit again: Not to be rude, but do you actually research any of this before you post?

 

ok and?
For like the 3rd time, I'm not advocating for making guns completely illegal
Also, what exactly are the steps these African nations are taking to enforce this law, if any?
You can make anything illegal, but so long as there is nobody to punish for it, who cares?
Btw you understand that many African nations are at war with their governments, right? There are countless militias, so they have no reason to obey the laws set by their corrupted government anyway
Here's a wiki article for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_Africa
Ctrl+f "ongoing". 43 ongoing conflicts in 18 out of 48 different countries. The ones who don't have conflicts are either starving and poor, are small, or they recently got out of one

Not to be rude, but do you actually research any of this before you post?

 

Then what are you proposing to lower terrorism in the USA?

 

Welp, you stopped being close to rational and turned to childish comments so I'll just see myself out of this conversation turned childish argument.

 

Not exactly sure how you took any of that as irrational or childish. It's literally just facts. I'll just take it you can't find anymore wiki articles to attack my points

Edit:

Again, I've literally been asked this like 3 times at this point, and I have already given suggestions and proposed solutions, even in the OP

If you're not gonna read what I say, why are you here? I'm not interested in repeating myself over and over again

 

Another Gun control, more limitation. I believe we should also look at more than just gun here.We should take a look other reasons and see a comparison between different school shootings. Gun is will always be the victim of any mass shooting or any homicide that the police or families have to deal with. Nothing else matters but the gun as it is the causes of misery and death. TTT is wonderful example for "gun" that we kill each other over and over with. However, can these guns really kill people by themselves? No, they cannot.

Why is it that these people are going to school with a mindset of "Killing" X amount of people. For revenge? For satisfaction? Not many people will hear about stabbings at school. I went to this high-school at Franklin Regional and there was a stabbing happened. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Regional_High_School_stabbing. Should we have knife control...a bit crazy huh? No kitchen knives for people to cut food.

Back to the heart of the subject which is the person themselves. Mentally, early warnings, bully, parenting issues, internet problems and many more. These may all come with mass killings as well as guns or knives involved. People know that kids nowadays cannot carry a gun in school as well as most teachers due to "Schooling and learning" so it is an easy target to exact your revenge or blood-lust. Same with churches that involves with shooting. We did a drill couple months ago with scenario of an active shooter inside the building, you will be surprised how defenseless people really are without protection.

I do believe gun controls may solve some problems but it cannot solve all the problems. People still need their own protection. Can't bring a knife to a gun fight. Doesn't work that way. Should look into the issue of "why" they did it and "how" they got the gun in the first place. Did their parents notice something strange? Is their gun hidden and locked away. My father carries a gun but it is well hidden and locked away so that my younger sister who gets bullied by other kids at school won't decide to shoot up a school.

There are many warnings that comes with a shooter. People don't pay attention these kind of things that CAN prevent shootings.
Parents own a gun? Yes. Parents hid it and locked it? No. (Bad parenting)
Kid steal the gun from older brother's room.
Kid is upset and disconnected to the world...Should the parents care?
Kid was bullied at school and refuses to talk about it. Should the principal check into with their parents.
Did he saw something on the internet that motivates him to kill his own friends?

There is always a reason for any act of one thing that does or does not.

 

Who claimed gun control would solve everything tho Nothing is that easy to fix but if you don't do anything nothing will ever get better.

 

Just sayin'

Also can you show me a recent "mass stabbing" scenario?

 

I'm not reading the entire thread for the sake of my own mind. It shouldn't be hard for you to summarize your ideas in a few bulletpoints if you are such a scholar.

 

If you can't be bothered to read the OP, then I can't be bothered to answer repetitive questions

Ya know it would help if you actually read my argument before attempting to argue against it

 

I just looked back, I literally already responded to points within your OP, and you accuse me of not reading it.

So we both agree that there need to be more background checks / harder to acquire a firearm. What are you doing to do to make that a reality?

 

I just gave you a link to the mass stabbing at my hometown...