The new N word: The F word!

Wanted to start a NON TOXIC discussion about our newly "banned" f word. I hope I don't get in trouble for stating this factually but I am talking about the word fag and faggot.

I'd like to open a discussion on these words and get some clarification from the administration as well as the communities thoughts.

One of the biggest things I am curious about is the use of the word fag, given that it has 2 alternative meanings in non North American language that do not indicate a slur, as provided by google here: https://i.imgur.com/Z7OFLOZ.png Will this word still be banned because of the potential loophole? Or are neither words "banned" like the N word is?

Community: what are your thoughts on restricting the usage of this word? I do know that there are a couple of members who use the word about themselves, however they are not straight, does this make it okay?

Again not trying to start anything toxic, please keep the conversation AND ratings civil, and report any comments you feel take things too far. For the administration, if you do not agree with the word being used in the OP or in any comments please redact the word or censor, rather than taking out the entire post.

 

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If it is used as a homophobic slur or in general to harass someone you can bet your butt i'm going to enforce it.

 

And what about self usage? I have seen members call themselves this word, however if someone called themselves the N word they would still be punished.

 

If the word is used to indicate a cigarette or its other meanings then there is no need to punish for it. It all comes down to whether or not the word is being used in it's offensive variant, in which case it will be punished for doing so. If a user is using the term to describe a bundle of sticks, but is bringing it up out of context repetitively in order to make people upset, then it would also be punished for it's use. Context matters a lot here. We don't just punish players for using the word when they are meaning something other than it's offensive version. Staff can still request for them to not use that term nonetheless.

 

Sometimes, the forum rules and the server rules tend to align together. This being one of them.
However, we do have allowed people to discuss the words themselves in the past as long as it's not being used to insult people.

 

Yes. You may still be asked by a staff member to not use this term. It is a group-based slur. So while you're throwing yourself in to that group that you decided to offend- you're still insulting an entire group.

 

This reminds me of the Biker episode from South Park lol

 

No really what's the point? There is no point to use the word in any other sense of the term. You can't tell me you've heard someone call a cigarette butt a fag in any casual conversation. The only time I've heard it used that way is to stir up controversy like now.

People can live without saying a stupid word. They'll get over it. We don't need to have special exceptions for that kind of stuff.

 

I've seen it on some media before, but it was non American. But regardless someone probably isn't going to use it on sgm cause no one talkes about smoking here, we're all too innocent to smoke

 

Can we still call someone a fuckface? or bitch?

 

Yeah but it could be considered harassment by the recipient

 

Anything can be considered harassment, I could call you an admin and get reported for harassment.

 

Nah. Definitely not as a single-standing event, likely never. If it led to being treated as harassment it would not be the word itself, but rather the behaviour.
One is used as a pejorative, the other is a regular noun.
Unless you do it deliberately to be a knobhead over a long period of time, it'd be a stretch to call it harassment.
And if you did it deliberately to be a knobhead over a long period of time, it'd be treated as harassment because you were being a knobhead.
Not because of the word

(But this is slowly getting off-topic, if you wanna discuss it hmu in convo)

 

My last derailing post here, is the knobhead directed at me, or directed at the person who uses the words that way (which would still group me into it)

 

So again, we can say the words "faggot" and "nigger" if the context is that we are discussing the usage of said words
Because the rules specifically state that you cannot use these words regardless of context
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I have heard people call cigarette butts fags in many conversations. Mostly if not always with Europeans, but nonetheless, we have 2 EU servers
Nobody refers to a bundle of sticks as a faggot tho, so that loophole probably isn't gonna slide so well

@olivia

 

I have used the term in referance to smoking moreso when talking to my friends from the UK. Also just as an educational bit of info cigs used to be called fags by our (people from the states) grandparents generation, a term not so far removed from our history.

Long story short this is one term that is easy to dicern context from. Harassment vs Casual converation is all in the tone and the words used, when refering to someone it is harassment when refering to an item its ok.

 

a pack a day keeps the doctor away

 

The f word is actually flan

 

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