Serious thoughts. So right now the SL8 is trash because its not good for close or long range. The rate of fire is too low to be good at close range, but the cone is too large to be useful at long range. Ideally this needs to be changed, now we already have the m14 which is clearly designed for close range given the lack of scope. However its cone is too high for the current rate of fire IMO, far more of a spray and pray weapon even at close range. So ideally lower cones of m14 and sl8 so that you have a close range weapon and a long range weapon that can't be used interchangeably (part of the reason the sl8 was so good was it could switch between close and long range fights too easy) Oh and you could maybe lower the mag capacity of both as well (maybe 10-15 for m14 and 10 for sl8 if needed)
Because of the short rate of fire, the SL8 is a long range weapon for the most part. You have to actually aim well and probably use the scope for the most effectiveness. If you don't use the scope, short range is best Unfortunately for you, you can't use the SL8 as an all-inclusive weapon anymore (sniper and assault rifle). Which is a good thing. Just be more precise
The sl8 was never great at long range, it made up for it with high ROF, ammo, and no recoil. Now long range its bad due to the high cone without being able to pump out as many bullets. You try using it yourself at long range, it is not accurate, even down something like innomotel hallways, let alone something like dolls or canyon.
I do agree that we may have over-done some of the weapons. The latest survey I posted is made to address this as well. As I mentioned many times before, balancing is not set in stone. Tuning back some of the values on some weapons is definitely an option. Just some more patience, friends.
We have a test server. The same one I am using to test. The plan was to open it to the public before the update goes live, but due to time constraints I was never able to do that. Now that things are quiet, this is likely to happen.
SL8 is still a really good weapon (if not the best sniper on the server) and if anything needed to be changed it's the cone of the weapon to be smaller and/or the default scope to be changed to something more clear and not a triangle that poorly represents where the shots are going, making it hard to use at long range.
Yeah i tested it aswell and its still super good weapon even stronger than most bolt snipers. As long as it one shots in the head it shouldnt have fast rate of fire. Autosnipers should not be as accurate as single fire snipers. Maybe dont miss ur shots if the firerate is too slow for u lol
As far as I can tell the sl8 is allowed to be semi auto with a large mag capacity because of the very low body damage, I'd expect it to be like 10-15 damage per body shot at range, compared to a barret / awp can do 50? and now the m24 can do up to 90. Also saying don't miss shots when the weapon spread / cone is the issue.
Whats the logic that hksl18 should be better than every other sniper in the game? The cone is just fine. Its autosniper after all. Maybe 0.03-0.04 cone would be good enough buff if the mag size is decreased to like 10 bullets. 0.05 cone it has right now is the same single fire snipers used to have before the update and it makes shots a bit inconsistent at long range. Nobody wants autosniper that anyone can just spray with and get lucky 1 kill headshots allthetime. Imo hkls18 should be used at short-mid range and use single fire snipers for long/medium range. Most people already use the skin that makes hksl18 scope really clear and easy to use. Thats also unfair advantage which should be given to everyone or no-one should use it
As I said, it wouldn't be better than every other sniper due to the necessity to headshot, compared to other snipers you can hit 2 body shots and kill.
The difference being that if you miss with, say, a barret, you're as good as dead unless you're firing from an entirely hidden location, an SL8 still has the means to fight back (albeit, no longer able to just trollololol spray down a corridor and wipe out 5-6 people) You really seem to be struggling with the "SL8 doesn't have to be excellent at everything" part of what Janppa is saying; the SL8 is still a great gun at mid range - vastly superior to any of the other assault rifles at that range - and the slow ROF is a marginal at best weakness at medium range.
Umm how are you better off without an sl8? If you have a barret I think it'd do 50 damage, so if you miss or dont headshot you just have to hit them again, compared to with an sl8 youd be forced to try and headshot them cause body damage wont do anything. Additionally I'm not trying to say the sl8 should be excellent at everything, with this rate of fire and recoil its not ideal at close range.
Shooting people who aren't shooting back at you, and you could have easily done most of those with other snipers with your skill.
tbh I got used to the sl8, its 1 shot headshot + slow but faster than any other sniper makes it balanced. I would also love a new scope since the scope isn't that great. But if it were to get a buff, I would recommend body damage :^)
Simply showing that the weapon can snipe, even though you claim it's useless at long range. And at close range such as the clips on innomotel I wouldn't have been able to do with a rifle, since the low rate of fire would've got me killed.
