Suicide ❤

To be blunt: If someone wants to commit suicide for this reason, their conscience isn't as clear as they think it is, and they should to seek a therapist.

 

It would be there choice yes but! It's not healthy by all means there's something wrong and if you're thinking that way talking it out to someone face to face or online can help.

 

From a completely logical standpoint, I don't quite understand what you mean. Seems like there's some sort of preconception about suicide there. I mean, it's not a very human thought but that's kind of the angle I'm looking at here.

 

Frankly, I think contemplation of suicide should be much more common than it is even now. From a utilitarian standpoint, if you contemplate it and the worth of your life when you're not in immediate danger, then when the shit actually does hit the fan you've already laid a structural framework for your thoughts. It's the same as end-of-life planning- you make decisions and choices well before the event itself, to avoid guesswork and panic.

I think suicide is a basic instinct and right, just as is any other violence. Most of humanity has demonized violence to the point that we've started trying to deny how utterly vital that kind of aggression is. But, as any other right, the question comes down to how much you buy into the social contract (or whatever your given philosophy calls it.) Ultimately, most modern philosophies seem to center around the ideas of universality and liberty (or similar) as core tenets, and suicide doesn't violate these per se, although its intent can. When suicide is done selfishly, as in that by a person who is giving up agency in a moment of panic and weakness, it is immoral. However, when it is committed either with universal law in mind (e.g. if a culture says 'people with terminal cancer should not be required to suffer,') or as an assertion of will (soldier dives on a live grenade to save others- heroic suicide,) then it is morally justified.

That said, don't be a whiny bitch. Embrace your existential dread instead of fleeing into nihil.

 

Seems like I was a bit late to my explanation of philosophy and selfishness

but more or less this was gonna be my route

however ill respond to

Fear of the future or regret of the past ultimately falls into depression. It's a negative thought that swirls in your mind and you find no answer for it. No coping mechanism or solution to fix your problem. Therefore the final road leads to the "easiest way" out for that issue: suicide. In any case, those trains of thought have unhealthy logic behind it and a reason which means if a person will commit suicide for fear of the future or regret of the past they're doing it for a reason. An unhealthy reason. A reason which Sal points out is selfish and by all if not many standards is immoral. These are mental health issues. These are the things that produce depression.

If they wanted out and they had these in mind to want to commit suicide their conscience is so clouded they will take the improper course of fixing the problem which is suicide.

 

As someone who was suicidal, hospitalized for it, and is still feeling the effects of it, your pov is nothing less than awful and wrong, at least to me.
The light at the end of the tunnel is so great. Even just a little bit. Talk to that therapist. Talk to your friends that actually care. Get help.

What you are suggesting kinda irks me.




Edit: I agree with not considering us criminals, not the rest should have clarified.

 

just make it to the next steam sale, that's what I always say

I like to think I have a good grasp on human nature, so I can't imagine someone who wants to die as also being happy. Being safe is part of the Hierarchy of Needs. These types of needs are intrinsic and necessary for a human to maintain their humanity (sanity). A disregard for any of these needs is a red flag for some sort of mental illness or temporary psychosis. The fact that you think someone can be perfectly "fine" but want to die for no particular reason is an oxymoron.

Personally, I grew up with the intent to kill myself before I graduated high school. I grew out of that mentality with some support. If there wasn't such a negative stigma around suicide and If my family wasn't there for me then I might have actually done it. So, yes, I would like to continue to stigmatize suicide. I can see that your point is "don't treat depressed/suicidal people like criminals", and I agree with that. Though, it would only end badly if society began to promote some sort of "neutral" suicide. There's no feasible way to do it. I probably wouldn't be typing this if my suicidal highschooler self saw some late night ads for suicide assistance (Obviously, they wouldn't service high schoolers).@Halloween Graze has some good points, also. A lot of people who were once suicidal find purpose or meaning to their lives much later. If suicide was easier to achieve, how many people would never have a chance to recover? Probably a lot.

Also, I've been on watchpeopledie A LOT, and it has really changed my perspective about death. Suicide isn't really glamorous when you've 12-year-old girl hang herself on video while apologizing over and over again for her existence.

 

@ThatAintSpookyFalco

 

I actually read the whole thing because this is a very close and dear topic to me. I first wanna talk about where you said that people who are happy and still wanna commit suicide should be almost allowed to and people should just accept it and move on. That to me doesn't seem like a happy person. I was a point in my life suicidal for 6 years and I will never say I was a happy person. I will say I had happy days but overall I wasn't happy. If someone was a truly happy person and still want to die, I believe that they are not coming to terms with whatever problem they seem to be having. Someone told me that the act of suicide is a permeant solution to a temporary problem. I don't think anybody wants to really commit suicide. A lot of people who have suicidal tendencies more likely than not reach out and ask for help. When they don't get it they feel there back is against the wall and they have no other option.

This next point almost brought me to tears. You claim that in life we hurt but ,we will get over it. In life people may get over stuff but it doesn't mean there completely whole again. I have lost friends to suicide and I have moved on and gotten over it, but the pain is still there in the bottom of my heart. I still think about them and how much I miss them. Some people actually commit suicide because some one they loved and cared about committed suicide. The loved one may never had that attention but that's how much power each and every person could have.

 

Dont suicide people you wont be able to watch anymore porn

 

You currently can't suicide "legally" by choice like that almost anywhere where there is law. Only a few countries and select states allow medically assisted suicide to only terminally ill patients after a very thorough evaluation by a board. The main reason they treat it with such regulations here in the U.S is primarily due ethical issues. Suicidal thoughts and actions are a widely researched mental problem that have quite a few treatment options that help. Since there are medical causes and treatment that is farther than simply "lol don't be sad", it is a disease. Since it is a disease with cures, with no logic should any medical personnel allow the patient to suicide that easily because that has the largest amount of loss to everyone involved (ya literally die). Sure a terminally ill patient with a chronic disease such as AIDS (which is the primary disease that was linked to assisted suicide in Oregon after it was legalized) should be able to suicide when they can clearly think without influence of something, but you can't jump the gun to the harshest solution right off the bat; it's just not ethical. Can't let the patient decide he wants the harshest treatment while he's under the disease that affects his judgement. This is also pretty similar to the reason why we have schedules of drugs: sure IV Cocaine has medical use, but we can't allow patients to jump to it so freely in non-severe cases because it has a lot of side effects. Every solution with harsh drawbacks needs medical necessity that outweigh the drawbacks.

 

This is actually happeneded to me, once like 2 years ago. Dumb me thought suicide was the only answer till someone said to me. "If you suicide, you will die which means you can't watch anime" And that fuking hit me so hard that I never wanted to think about suicide ever again. #TrueStory

 

The bright yellow text lowkey hurts my eyes so I'm gonna copy/paste it into Word lmao

 

This guy came to my school and talked about suicide.


His message is compelling. He claims that he instantly regretted jumping off the bridge. I strongly disagree with your post. Suicide is not selfless, there are people who are left in emotional hell. They have to wake up every morning and try to convince themselves that they weren't to blame for their child's suicide. In the video kevin talks about his father, and how his father fears that kevin has committed suicide every time the phone rings. People don't move on from this. There are parents who weep over their child's suicide, not just because he is dead because they have the guilt that they could have done more. You leave someone like that and they are burdened with emotional guilt for the rest of their lives.

This songs captures my feelings on suicide. It is not to be glamorized, this is not ok. The last resort is never the best option.


If you or a loved one is considering suicide, please for the love of everyone around you:
Call 1-800-273-8255

Do not become a statistic.

 

Committing suicide isn't natural. The natural instincts in you want you to reproduce and advance your species, not die. The fact you're thinking about it even when not sad doesn't mean it's healthy, it means it's that much more scary. You are that much more broken inside.

As someone who has struggled with a mental illness myself, OCD, I know that feeling. Sometimes I have the urge to repeat a word or count to 4. It feels natural. But it's not. It's caused by a chemical imbalance in my brain. Same with yours. You have true depression. Not just being sad. You want to kill yourself no matter how you're feeling. That is what real depression is. Don't let it win. Don't assume this is okay or natural. It's not.

And yes I will argue that it's selfish and you'll hurt people, because it's true. I know you want rest. We all do. But it's not fair to anyone in your life who has become emotionally invested into you. It never will be. Ending your friendships with them before you do it isn't fair, either.


Also, I don't actually think it's your choice. You were given this life as a gift. It's technically yours to do with as you please, but how would you like it if you gave someone this amazing toy robot for their birthday, only for them to grow bored in a day and proceed to smash it to bits in front of you? Meanwhile other people's toy robots get smashed by cars driving by or bullies, or some other reason out of their control. Those other people wish they had a toy robot, but they lost theirs before they could fully enjoy it.

You need to be grateful for what you have. I have many friends that would love to have what you have. But their gifts were taken from them. They didn't get that choice. We don't either.

Don't kill yourself. Don't throw away your gift, even if you haven't learned to appreciate it yet. Even if you become cynical as hell and never do. It disrespects the lives and memories of every single person who has ever lived and ceased living before old age could relax them. Every murder, every cancer patient. Every child. Don't spit on their graves.

Don't kill yourself.

 

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. Eventually, you will learn, grow, and heal from every situation.

 

Suicide is not the answer. Once you end your life, it's all over for you. You've still got a whole life ahead of you full with adventure, by that I mean getting a career/job, hanging out with friends and family, and partying till 2:00 in the morning. I may have suicidal thoughts, but hey, I won't let that happen and I'll always be here.