Yeah, the PSU was a bit on the low side. I agree with you on the CPU choices too. I also agree with you that ryzen is cheap. I also agree with you that an i7 is trusty. I...... I dont have anything else.. damnit.. But yeah, this guy knows his shit, id prolly listen to him. Shadow, did you go to school for computers or did you learn all this yourself?
Ryzen's additional cores and threads are also really nice for multi-tasking. Personally I've got two monitors; I'm always doings tons of things at once. The additional cores and threads come in really handy. It's up to you really, do you want every last drop of gaming performance (go with i7) or do you want a more universal and good-value CPU (go with Ryzen 5 or 7). Both are excellent choices, you won't be disappointed by either.
Honestly, since its just a pure gaming PC, I would go with Intel. However, I would still go with ryzen bc of its multitasking abilities. I would go with the ryzen 7 over the 5. The ryzen 7 is equal to the i7 for intel. I would go for the 1700 or 1700x as its pretty okay for price/performance. If you are really wanting to go all out, then id go with the 1800x. It sjust a smidge under the 7700k, at about 100 dollars more.
1800x is pointless. It's identical to the 1700 aside from the higher out-of-the-box frequency and higher TDP. It's best to save the money and get a 1700, plus the 1700 has an included cooler. One could get a 1700x if you never intend to overclock as it has a higher out-of-the-box frequency, but to be fair it's not that much better then a 1700 anyway, and strangely it doesn't come with a cooler. The 1700 is the best value of the Ryzen 7 lineup. I would still go with a 1600 and put the money towards the GPU. The 1600 and 1700 have near identical gaming performance.
You're gonna' want to invest in more RAM. 12 would be efficient for now, but I recommend two 8 gigs. I have 8 GB in total, currently, and most of the 'new' AAA titles require five at the minimum, and start up [for me] is using 1.8 gigs. Which is 6.8 gigs in my total average. I'm pretty sure my RAM is "bottlenecking" the rest of my rig - I've gotta' '970 and i7 4700K goin' with it. Although, I plan on upgrading to a '1070 soon, which will be exceptional for 1080p, good for 1440p [which is my future route], and mediocre for 4K - if you want the 4K experience, then get a 1080 or Ti version. Although, if you take the 4K route, you're going to pay at least tree-fiddy for the monitor, which won't really suit within your budget, if you're starting from the ground, up; especially considering the 1080 or Ti version. You could, however, down-sample your resolution to a higher resolution . . . let's say, 4K on a 1080p monitor; however, the OS user interface is gonna' look hella' small [and frankly unorthodox] because you're compacting a lot more pixels within a smaller space. Make sure that the motherboard, you plan to buy, is compatible with your DDR4 RAM and processor - whatever you choose. Obviously, you're also going to want to make sure you have enough power. So you can use this PSU calculator to get an estimate on what you'll require, and what is recommended: http://www.coolermaster.com/power-supply-calculator/. All in all, you aren't going to get a really nice computer if you average your components evenly, so you avoid "bottlenecking", because of your budget. However, take it with a grain of salt, because it's my opinion . . . mostly. Spoiler: My future build [B]*upgrades*[/B] - Firstly to Lastly https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139049 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132855 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231878 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500401 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16824236313 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835608045 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA1N83U90740 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117559 EDIT: Fixed links.
@Toest @SageConquer Bottlenecking shouldn't be an issue or concern with a new system, just don't be dumb and get something like a terrible CPU with a fantastic GPU or vice versa. Also, the PSU calculator gives a decent idea of wattage, but doesn't tell the whole story and isn't all that accurate. I would just double check and ask on here or other tech forums if a PSU wattage is high enough for a given system before going through with it. Agreed, 4K is out of the budget. Them monitors and 1080tis are expensive. A GTX 1070/1080 with a Ryzen 5 1600, 1700 or Intel i7 (which all fit into budget) will be amazing for 1080p and great for 1440p. With a budget like this, yeah get at least 16GB of RAM, especially if you use more then one monitor. 4Gb is useless. 8GB is just enough for gaming on a single monitor. 16GB gives plenty of extra room and is the sweet spot for multi-monitor setups.
Yeah. Although, keep in mind the only thing that's set in stone is his SSD. He still has many other components to buy, and a lot of them may contribute to bottle-necking, depending on the specifics. Yes. The calculator does give an estimate. Some surfing and searched-out experiences would be a wise decision after the initial estimate. As I initially started out with, he only has one component out of the many. So he does have to consider and buy other PC components, like a par PSU, a fairly new motherboard [since he plans on DDR4 RAM], and even a par-sized tower too. Nor can we forget the peripherals. So I doubt a new generation graphics card would actually fit into his budget, nor a semi-new generation processor.
I'm sorry, but I totally, totally disagree. As I stated in my original post near the beginning of the thread and multiple other times since then, $1000 USD is enough for a brand new latest and greatest Ryzen 5 1600 & GTX 1070 or for $1200 USD a Ryzen 7 1700 (or alternatively Intel i7 6700[k]/7700[k]) & GTX 1080. I even suggested two systems using those configurations. Where in the world are you getting your ideas that a $1000-$1200 USD can't get latest generation mid to high tier components? Of course it can. It's a good chunk of money to work with. Personally I can't ever recommend buying previous generation components unless you're buying used, on a very tight budget, and/or getting a good deal. Typically you want your system to remain relevant for years to come and be in a good position for upgrades. EDIT: Also, Toest said he already had the following: Has a CPU cooler (Cooler Master hyper 212) Has 1x8 stick of DDR4 Has a 500GB SSD He stated he could use a new monitor, but never claimed it was to be included in the budget. He never stated that he didn't have a keyboard, mouse and windows OS - so I'm assuming he does. All of this above leaves a lot of room in the budget for a better system.
And expensive. Typical Intel. They are intended for workstation systems though. Would be a waste of money and well out of the budget here.
4 cores is sufficient for gaming, but when it comes to AMD Ryzen, 6 core for sure. The Ryzen 5 1600 6 core/12 thread is about the same price as an Intel i5 7600k 4 core/4 thread. When it comes to Intel, they charge you an arm and a leg for their 6 cores, don't bother with them.
