Invalid Report against Candycaneore

Name of Staff/Player:

Candycaneore​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

Dunno Hes a mod and left​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:63618834​

Which Server:

West 2​

Which Map:

Multiple​

Which Round:

Multiple​

Time of Occurence:

11:00PM PST - 12:45 PM PST​

Reason For Report:

Candycaneore has harassed me multiple times in the past and is a mod that I consistently have problems with. He/she tends to slay me without question however when I report people how blatantly rdm me he/she always seems to find a way around slaying them. He/she is constantly confrontational and harassive and will claim that it is because it seems as though i "am unclear of what is happening" which is his/her excuse for harassing me for making honest mistakes. I think that he/she assumes that I am trying to loophole out of slays when in reality they are honest mistakes anytime Candy is online I feel as if I have to go to a different server to avoid undo punishment or to get a report looked at correctly. Any help the upper level staff could offer would be much appreciated as I have been playing on the SeriousTTT servers for around 4 years/am a donator and do not want to have to find a different server to play on. However if this type of abuse/harassment goes unchecked I feel I am no longer accepted on the servers when Candy is a mod and I, as a player, should not have to worry about which mod is online to be treated with respect and be treated fairly. My last note would have to be that in this situation I could really care less about the outcome of the reports/slays but instead am disturbed as to how Candy is handling them. I would expect far less argumentation and a great deal more respect and professionalism from the MODs on the SeriousTTT servers.

Thank you for your assistance in this report,
Guy in Gold​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

You to admins: so who shot the barrel
Candycaneore to You: no one did and he only said he threw it at the tester unless you have a video proof that him throwing it caused the
Candycaneore to You: explosion
You to admins: youre fucking kidding right
You to admins: thats absolutely insane
Candycaneore to You: nope not kidding you both died at the same time
You to admins: i died from an explosion, no one shot it, and hes lying
Candycaneore to You: and i assume by the force of the barrel it explode
You to admins: HE THREW THE BARREL AT ME AND HES NOT GETTING SLAIN?
Candycaneore to You: yup unless you have video proof
You to admins: SO SLAY HIM
You to admins: wow wtf
You to admins: youre literally the worst mod ever
You to admins: youre saying you know that he killed me with the explosive and youre not going to slay himn
Candycaneore to You: no i just said its possible the barrel exploded due to the impact which has happened before
You to admins: so basically what youre saying is that you have issues with me so youre not going to slay him
Candycaneore to You: i cant slay because he said he didnt explode it and there is no direct proof that throwing it did explode it
Candycaneore to You: if you had video proof of when he tossed it then it exploded i could slay but he is also saying he didnt shoot it
the meme: Nobody is a Traitor!
Candycaneore to You: you can keep assuming things but i have to follow protocol and cant just slay him
You to admins: that horse shit and you know it
Candycaneore to You: unless you have proof
Candycaneore to You: its not horse shit and i can get in trouble if i jsut dished out slays just because i felt like it
Candycaneore to You: this is why staff goes through the damage logs
You to admins: how come none of my reports go through and ever time someone reports me it happens instantly
Candycaneore to You: i cant explain that
You to admins: cause you have issues with me
You to admins: sounds pretty reasonable
Candycaneore to You: youre just making assumtions based onyour negative experiences right now
You to admins: so basically what youre saying is to play on the server when youre the mod
You to admins: i need to record everything that happens
You to admins: so that you cant abuse your power
You to admins: love it
Candycaneore to You: and for the few maps prior the trial mod had investigated those reports prior
You to admins: but i ahve no proof as youre saying
Candycaneore to You: i wasnt handling reports for the time the trial was on
Candycaneore to You: i only dished out the punishments and checked up
You to admins: lol now youre just lying through your teath
You to admins: you literally said you were the one that killed the detective

Candycaneore to You: i cant help every player but i record from my own end
Candycaneore to You: if you wish to bring up the past again after you said you were done
Candycaneore to You: i can restate the reason why your actions were rdm
You to admins: so now youre gunna start harassing me again
You to admins: thats great
Candycaneore to You: it isnt harassment if you are unclear of the events and reason to why you were slain
You to admins: and i actually think i had problems with you harassing me before as well earlier this week
Candycaneore to You: you killed a T who did nothing traitorous and wasnt gba because they t wasnt with me or witnessed me do any T acts
You to admins: ^again youre going to harass me
You to admins: love it
Candycaneore to You: yes we have a older history as you were upset with me exp
You to admins: ^more harassment​

 

Also this is only the text that shows up in command prompt. The real section I had issue with was a map or so before this when candy insisted on telling me 3-5 times what I did wrong AFTER I agreed to accept the slay although I didn't agree with why he did it. After the 1st or 2nd time of him re-explaining it I told him to stop as I thought it was harassment and didn't feel like arguing with him/her any long as I had already accepted the slay. It was at this point that I take offense as he/she went on to harass me by going over why he/she was right 2-3 more times which I would consider constant harassment from a mod seeing as I asked him/her to stop multiple times. As you can see at the end of the correspondence between the two of us I stopped asking him/her to stop and started to mark anything I could see as possible harassment for an Admin or Owner to observe. At one point Candy we even antagonistic saying that he/she didn't think I would go on the forums to report this behavior implying that really he/she could do anything he/she wanted without repercussion.

 

I will tag @Candycaneore and their admin @Guilty
please be patient, they will both respond at earliest convenience

 

Hi and thank you for your patience!

My Steam ID is STEAM_0:0:52950540 and I do believe as a player at your stature on our community you would know how to retrieve Steam ID through steamidfinder.com or you would have had countless opportunities to type "status" in console to retrieve my ID.

I will go about this chronologically and also refer to past events as I continue explaining. I have also highlighted/boxed the areas that I believe are connected to the whole story. I have had a negative experience with mikace(Guy in Gold) in the past week on our servers prior to the events regarding this report. This report has also given me the opportunity to bring out evidence of my first encounter with mikace(Guy inGold).

On my earliest encounter I had multiple reports on him for rdming and one was valid. It began on Italy map I believe. When a T filed a report about being rdm'd. I had assisted mikace(Guy in Gold) for killing the T. Then he later proceeded to killing an innocent for the mp7 from the T we just killed. he claimed the T and Inno were killed for the mp7. Later after the death of the T and 1st Inno he was reported for killing another Inno. Mikace said the player had headshot a player(which he never shot a bullet). I proceeded to slay mikace but, he then said that the player was the one with the mp7. But I had already investigated the report with the Inno who was killed for the mp7. This was the first case where I thought it was a possible suspicion for loopholing.

Spoiler: Evidence(in order)

http://imgur.com/a/5aE1F

On another map mikace had killed an Inno and was killed by an Inno who said he saw mikace commit multiple T acts. Although, I believe I shouldn't have said/given him the benefit of the doubt line in this situation because mikace clearly took it too far. He became very pessimistic and rude when I was only trying to give it to him straight but, in this case he was neither understanding or nice in return.

Spoiler: Evidence(in order)

http://imgur.com/a/kAB5J

I feel exhausted most of the time when I try to explain things to you mikace. And it is as if you make everything seem more aggravating from your own perspective when it truly isn't. I've tried explaining to you multiple times for various reports but, you're is always so pessimistic, calling me out in public chat or via pm, and saying how I'm like targeting you out of dislike. You have mentioned that I always find a way around slaying other players but, this is not true. I have on multiple occasions slayed players you have reported. It may seem like I don't because of the report on you, you feel like you're being targeted but your not. I also took the time to investigate your reports but, you also showed some impatience. I was quite busy staffing alone handling reports in orderly fashion but the way you pmed me felt aggressive and I simply cannot just slay someone just because you reported with the damage logs. I had to also wait for the players response to you report as to why he rdmd you.

Spoiler: Slay evidence from reports you made

http://imgur.com/a/aLWOr
http://imgur.com/a/Gwapi

I believe the problems first started for this report was on Doll when you killed my T buddy for killing a D. You later ended up changing you story saying it was GBA out of the blue. I tried explaining to you it was rdm but, you also changed your story and basically what you said was rdm. And you didn't seem to understand it at first. Later when you said it was a grey area in GBA so I proceeded to question you. And the more you said the more confusing it was because it just didn't match up and which lead me to try and explain what you just said is basically rdm. And you start complaining how its harassment. I was only explaining to you after what you said was also rdm, You clearly didn't care or clearly dislike the fact I was telling you straight that your way is the wrong way.

Spoiler: Evidence/Video

https://www.dropbox.com/s/csvzak9ieh3lr3m/Garry's Mod 7_17_2016 10_25_01 PM.mp4?dl=0
http://imgur.com/a/OzL88

Again on a later map pool I handle another report you made. You said a guy had killed you but, there was no evidence that allowed me to slay him because it became a word vs word situation. I knew it was possible for barrels to explode when hit hard enough or like with dead bodies but, there was no direct proof since the player said he didn't explode or shoot it. When ever I try to explain things to you properly you end up making it like an argument which I really dislike. I want/try to help but, you never see the light and end up harassing me in return. You also had another report in which you complained about a player you kosd you for not iding a body, which the evidence can clearly explain how you ended up handling the conversation with me.

Spoiler: Evidence(in order)

http://imgur.com/a/Khp5C
http://imgur.com/a/abaZ1

Later after pool we still continued to talk about the past reports when we switched to 64th map and you ended up bringing back the Doll report which you said was over. I assumed you were unclear and wished to dissolve the topic you brought up by recapping on why you were slain. I don't know why you even brought up the Doll report after 2 maps if you were going to just say I was harassing you again. And when you mentioned having problems with me previously(again the above story/evidence is from earlier encounter when I slayed you for an Inno who never shot anyone) I only responded to meeting you and saying you were unhappy about me explaining a report to you. You then said harassment to that which was childish in my opinion. I was only responding to what you said.

Spoiler: Evidence

http://imgur.com/a/tV2ca

In the end I don't believe I harassed you but, instead I was constantly harassed by you and I have been doing my best in trying to assist you but, you were so pessimistic every time it was difficult for me to communicate with you because I knew you would just be negative about it and blame things on me. I wish you would stop making assumptions about me disliking you and how that makes me favor other players over you. I've said I don't handle players through favoritism but, through protocol(!motd). We seem to have misunderstanding from how you perceive my actions and I'm not sure how we could resolve this. But I hope you understand that I don't use favortism and you need to stop being pessimistic when I handle reports from or on you.

 

@mikace

So is there any more evidence left on regards to my Moderator harassing you? If not, then I will be presenting the verdict to this report.

 

Candy keeps continually going over the situation and history of report made by me or against me. This, however has not been my problem. My issues with Candy started and have been continued through how he/she is treating me while handling reports. His/her response to this proves this point. In my report I believe that I was more than clear about my real issue being the harassment I was targeted by with the slay that happened on Dolls. Notice that in my report I am not or tangentially mentioning the validity of the reports but rather I am mentioning how Candy continually harasses me by pointing out WHY it was rdm when I stated, and I quote, "I understand why I am being slain but it doesn't mean I agree with it". This, in essence, has been my problem with Candy. He/she continues to open up old wounds when I have considered them a closed issue by clearly stating that I don't want to argue about it further and that I would accept the slay.

As I stated in my report above, I have been playing on this server for many years and this is the first serious incident I have had with staff. When I play on this server I tend not to play by the spirit of the game but instead by the rules set forth by the server as I believe when I am Inno it makes rounds go much quicker so that I could get to a round where I would be a Traitor or Detective which I personally feel is much more desirable. I am well aware that this causes a great deal of reports to be filed against me as well as creating a vast amount of agitation towards me in game. However, I do not believe that I step outside the bounds of the rules often and if I do it is because I fell off the line that I try to carefully to walk. When this happens I would expect that the mods on Serious TTT servers not harass me for these mistakes but this has not been the case for Candy.

I also notice that while he/she does not mention anything about his/her comment about thinking I would not go submit a forum report. This is deeply disturbing to me as it sets forth a mannerism which implies the mods can do whatever they wish without repercussions which I neither think is true nor should it be. Also regardless of IF Candy has a distaste/like for me the way that he/she is treating me specifically and others (I would imagine) creates an environment in which there is distrust between the players and mods regardless of the outcomes of slays. Players need to be able to trust that the judgement of the moderators is not being influenced by outside factors. These interactions that I have had with specifically Candy made me lose this trust with him/her and I am hoping that this formalized, public report would help to both help to clear the air as it were and perhaps to change how he/she handles player interaction or possibly even how I am interacting with mods. I understand that in several instances I may have gone over the line when communicating with Candy. However I believe that this was due to the harassment I perceived regardless of if it was intended or not. Overall I am not hoping to cause Candy to receive any punishment or repercussions from this report. But rather to formalize my disdain about how Candy is interacting with players and have him/her change their behavior in future interactions.

 

When looking through the evidence which Candy is submitting I would actually say that this aids in my overall point that Candy is acting in a disrespectful manner that I have never seen with another mod. Most or all other mods would have said something like "I can review the video" or "upload it and I will take a look". Coming out and stating that "[they] doubt it would do anything because you dont see his pov and what he says matches the logs" is extremely pessimistic and downright rude. In this specific example (again not about the outcome of the slays but rather the manner in which they were handled cannot stress this enough because obviously it has not come across) Candy does not know what my POV captured but is instead relying on anecdotes from individuals which can be easily falsified.

In this situation I would have expected any mod on the Serious TTT server to be farm more respectful and neutral when dealing with these reports.

Regardless of any other responses made I do not wish to pursue this further as I believe that the Admins/Owners have made up their minds and any other replies or arguments would be a waste of my time. My voice has at least be publicly heard at this point which is all that I wanted. No matter the outcome of this report I would urge the Admins/Owners to examine Candy's interactions with players and urge for correction if they feel like I that it would benefit the players the mods are here to support.

Thank you for the time that both Candy and the Admins/Owners have taken to examine the validity of these actions and sorry if this caused any undo inconvenience,
Guy in Gold (mikace)

 

@mikace

Each and every part of Candy's image only presents her giving you an explanation of an event followed by you belittling her by calling her the "worst mod" and a liar along with claiming that she was harassing you. There was no sign of harassment or degradation as shown in the evidence provided by my Moderator at the time. On the contrary, there has been plenty of harassment shown on your end of the dispute as well through you accusing Candy of showing favoritism, insulting her, and demanding slays on players despite the verdict of the situations being word vs word.

While she could have handled and/or worded many of the situations in a better way, I don't see any form of harassment that you are currently claiming against my Moderator. She was respecting your viewpoint, but she was also presenting the verdict to each of the situations you were calling the player and Candy out for. Overall, each of Candy's verdicts were correct and her side of the argument shows no harassment from her end.

This report against Candy has been found invalid. Consider this a warning as well. Further harassment towards any Moderator may result in punishments being given. I understand that you were frustrated that you feel that your reports weren't handled properly, but at the same time, that doesn't justify blaming the Mod and harassing/insulting said Mod on the same server.

If you want to discuss this report verdict in further detail, feel free to PM me on the forums.

Sincerely,
Guilty