Invalid Report against Haruka Suenaga

Name of Staff/Player:

Haruka Suenaga​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

STEAM_0:0:75003654​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:0:88473687​

Which Server:

EU​

Which Map:

Jondome​

Which Round:

Unknown​

Time of Occurence:

Unknown​

Reason For Report:

On the map Jondome, I was playing as an innocent. I proceeded to make and enchant the diamond sword and then place it in the entryway of the enchanting room, sort-of like a method of protecting myself until the majority of the round passes, as only one or two people had died yet. I proceeded to wait there with the diamond sword, and someone else who happened to be a traitor ran in and killed them self on it. I was surprised since the people knew that it would kill them. I then was told that this was rdm, even though I was not holding the sword, nor was I encouraging anyone to step on it. I was then killed rather quickly and started responding to my reports, and apparently, possibly, other people managed to kill themselves on the sword. I have been told that making the sword isn't traitorous, and that only carrying it is. I placed it there in plain sight, and it would be on the person who died to take out a magneto stick, pick it up, and make sure that they aren't going to die from it. I have read the extended rules thoroughly and there is no indication that what I did was RDM, and the 5 day ban that I received is therefore irrational and excessive. I would like for this to be considered, and if I am still in the wrong, explained to me in good detail to me how this could still possibly be RDM.​

Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

I trust completely that any evidence that is there against me will show that what I explained above truthfully happened.​

 

I'll just tag @Haruka Suenaga to give his side of the story and his admin @Steven | SP for the final verdict.

 

Do keep in mind, if you touch the sword, enchant it, and place it down, all kills with it are considered RDM unless you see someone doing a T act and use the sword to kill them.

But in your case, putting it down and it is difficult to see, and some players won't be able to tell, killing them is considered RDM as you had no proof, or reason, to kill them with the sword.

 

This is an instance that is never described to the player. There is no mention of this rule stated in the entirety of the extended rules and if there was then it would be a different story. However, I still disagree about that principle. The sword is a bright blue color which dramatically contrasts with the flooring of the ground on which it was placed. I see this as a similar thing with how detectives have blue voice chat and in game chat so that you are unable to miss it, and if you do, it is on YOU. That being said, as well as it not being covered by a body or prop of any nature, it makes no sense as to the logistics of why the sword would be on the duty of that who last touched it.

With this in mind I can't possibly begin to understand the logic behind that being the rule.

 

It may also be useful to note that three rounds before this occurred I committed a duo of accidental RDM when I was a detective who had the diamond sword, and after trying to run through the portal with it due to Traitors attacking the enchanting room, I apparently caused two innocents to die there as well with the diamond sword because it apparently doesn't travel through the portal like I expected it to. This is a lesser thing as I'm always willing to accept slays even if I don't agree with why, just as I did, but the second that it becomes more than slays I tend to want to know more about it, as I don't want to have people think of me as intentionally doing things to get into trouble.

 

as you can see from this video, you holding the sword tried to enter the portal with the sword and since the sword cant pass through the portal, it bounced back and killed 2 innos.You got 2 slays for it and you said "fair enough".

So after the 2 slay round u are back playing this time you are a inno.So after you were proven what you did? you ran to the enchanting room and enchanted the sword,killing the 1st person a T, soon after i said "if someone else steps on to the sword" halfway and another person came and got killed by the sword so i just said "nvm".

now clearly you didnt understand the rule after being slain 2 times,since you were slain 2 times for the same offense already you would know its wrong and not to do it again but u did otherwise which landed you in the 5 day ban and this very report.

My admin @Steven | SP will finish the report.

 

Alright, so with the first video being put aside temporarily, I'd like to discuss how the second video shows someone else picking up the sword and moving it to kill the 4th person who you considered to be RDM'D by me. At 1:01 you can explicitly see someone other than myself pick up the sword and subsequently kill the second person, so right there according to the rule, any blame that was on me for the sword was null and void. Now, I then take the diamond sword out of the hallway to prevent anyone else from walking onto the sword after the second person dies, and then am subsequently killed while the door is closed. At this point it is outside of my ability to do anything else, and is the decision of the other people to even touch the sword for a second time, and for the detective to ignore the already known about sword and therefore die to it. Besides this, however, you can easily see the sword in plain view, being unobstructed by anyone and anything. The fact that a player walked onto a clearly visible object shouldn't be that of the one who set the object down there, when alternatively, it is the fault of the person who didn't see that the person T-baiting was a detective because his name is blue.

Now, returning to the fact that you referred to the first video in the first place. Literally ANYTHING could have happened there with the sword from what your video shows. There is no concrete proof that during the 10 seconds your camera was away either of those two innocents dying by the sword that magically managed to fly to the other side of the room wasn't carried by the traitor that just attacked the group in the first place, or anything else happened. I just accepted the slays because I didn't think too much of what happened, because I didn't know what happened. Otherwise, there is no correlation. In this you state that I was slain for the same offense already two times, but in no way is it the same offense. I still stand adamantly on my position that this makes no sense, and I really hope that in some way you can make this make sense for me, or rescind my punishment.

 

Reflecting on this, It really should be relocated to the ban appeal section for some reasons, as there was obviously no breaking protocol with the exception of possible illegitimate reasoning being used on the first slay. It won't stop me from questioning the legitimacy of the protocol, but that's a discussion for after you explain the necessity of the rule itself.

Also, as for the reason for why this is different than normal RDM, it would be because with RDM with guns and such, you literally are intentionally killing 4+ people with the intent to fire your gun at them. The sword is in no way that way. The ultimate decision to die lies with the victim as much as the sword holder, but when the sword is set down, there is no reason for why the death is on who set it down. It was the victim who moved forward too far into the sword. It just doesn't make sense.

 

You purposely set it where a person could get killed by it, thus making it your fault. That part makes sense.

 

Hello @Grazedd thank you for taking the time to submit a report against my moderator, Haruka. After reviewing the evidence provided by him it is clear that you are the direct cause to four different peoples' deaths. The fact is, if you are the last person to hold the sword, you are to be held accountable for all the deaths that it may bring. In normal cases slays would be issued but if it were to get excessive, and in your case it did, an RDM ban would them be implemented. In this case you not only held the sword but were also the last to hold it at times too and therefore you must be punished for the said individuals it killed.

In the first video you walked through the portal and because props can't go through the portal with you, the prop was launched backwards and killed players. It was never your intention to kill them, however because you did actually kill them you needed to take numerous slays to account for that. When it comes to the second video, first a player walks into the sword whilst you are alive this causes them to die. Then, whilst you were dead, a player walked into the diamond sword after you were the last one holding it, so, once again you caused the players death by leaving the sword there. With the first kill in the second video an extra slay was added to you. Then for the fourth player who you RDMed which was yet another accidental kill (and we still have to slay for accidents regardless) a fourth slay would have been issued. 4 slays technically add up to be an RDM (4+) ban which is what was placed on you. Haruka was well within his rights to slay you for each of the players' deaths.

Please do understand that it is hard for us to list every rule single rules and we do apologize that you may not see some rules listed directly in the MOTD. Regardless the rules are there and they must be followed. Once again thank you for the report but I will now be going ahead and marking it invalid for the reasons stated above.