Invalid Report against Candycaneore

Name of Staff/Player:

Candycaneore​

Steam ID of Staff/Player:

STEAM_0:0:52950540​

Your Steam ID:

STEAM_0:1:27250125​

Which Server:

Vanilla​

Which Map:

Minecraft Jondome​

Which Round:

Last round for the map​

Time of Occurence:

between 1410 to 1420? (GMT +8)​

Reason For Report:

At that very last round and the very last T stayed alive, the Detective "keekster" suddenly start shooting at someone (I forgot his name). As an innocent, I pull out my gun and shoot him as well as the detective is clearly shooting at him. It turned out that the guy was a T.
After some seconds, I was reported that claiming I rdmed him. I responded to the report saying "the d shot at him first so i shoot you too as i am an inno."

However, the mod Candycaneore decided to slay me. I asked her the reason, she said "You shot/damaged the guy before the Detective did."
I doubt this is a valid reason for the slay. It was very clear that the detective was shooting the T and wanted him dead. There is still a condition that "The detective shot him first but he missed. However, the other inno might have better aiming or luck that they land the shot BEFORE the detective does." In such a short amount of time, we can clearly determine if the detective is shooting at him intentionally.


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Evidence And/Or Witnesses:

The player "keekster" was the detective.​

 

@Candycaneore will respond when she can and tagging her admin @Toxin as well

 

The D didn't damage him at all yet and from what you could see at the time. The fact is you damaged him first before the D did which is rdm, if the D had damaged him first you shooting him would be fine. Because what if the D was just t baiting and not intentionally trying to damage him.

Spoiler: SS

 

If the detective was T baiting, why would he shoot the T instead of me?If you say I am the one who shot first, why didn't the detective and others shoot me first? Also, the detective deal ACTUAL damage to the T but not on me.
I would say it is just a common sense that when a D is shooting at someone, others should take action and shoot the target too. On the other hand, anyone not shooting at the detective's target can be considered as GBA and I may be killed for it.

 

Hello @iammtxd , hope you're doing well.

As for this situation, I think the slay would be justified under Mods, though, as an admin, I would have used discretion to not slay you since I can try to imagine the scenario at the time.

Try to understand from the moderator's point of view. You claim a detective shot somebody so you take action, which is fine, but the difference is that you damaged the player first (logs). All you claim is that the detective only shot the player at that exact moment, which you responded by shooting the player as well. Candy brought up a good point, Detectives can T-bait anyone all they want and players can just come up and shoot the player the detective is t-baiting, claiming the D was shooting him (if we were to go by this situation, that is.) . You don't kill a player for getting t-baited.

I checked the logs again in a different line, the detective did shoot first. (for your assurance)

Spoiler: Detective

But it still doesn't change anything. The fact is, he did shoot first, yes, but you had damaged him first. Had the detective damaged him first, we would then know he wanted to kill the player (or at least make it seem that way) which then, and only then, could you have taken action. As I said before, you can't kill players for only getting t-baited.

I will give you some time to respond, if no response is giving within a couple of hours then this report will be marked invalid.

 

First of all, thank you for your comprehensive explanations.

However, my point is that if the detective just wanted to t bait the guy, why would he keep dealing damage to that one guy? According to the log, the detective had 5 shots landing on the guy. Yes, I did deal damage first somehow but the continuous shooting and dealing damage from the detective would show that the "t baiting" shot was just the inaccuracy of the HUGE and the detective wanted to kill the guy.

Nevertheless, I agree that in this situation it could have been depended on the mod's pov. There is no point to continue discussing about the intention of the detective shooting. I appreciate your effort on investigating this report.

 

@iammtxd
The only problem is he shot, yes, but the shots did not land which is why we brought up the "t-baiting" scenario. The shots never landed on the player, you were the first to damage him.
Thank you for understanding, if you have any more concerns don't hesitate to pm me.
Report found invalid.