Mods Forcing Reports

The reports come up when you die. Just submit a response then and continue whatever you were doing after you respond.

Submitting a more detailed response can easily be done in @chat. Most people don't submit a detailed response but the ones that do actually care and will find a way to get the information to Staff Members.

 

You know what they say about assumptions. They make an ass out of you and me. That is why reports exist. That is why there is sufficient space in said reports. And that is why we are having this discussion over reports. Because of mods (not being specific since i have no clue nowadays who) being forceful and assuming.

 

Just because a report LOOKS false, doesn't mean it is. There have been lots of times when I thought a report was going to be false and the response made it valid. Mods can't see if you saw the person shoot at you, or if you just heard the gun sound and shot the first person you saw and they happened to be the same. You NEED to respond. Otherwise when I get reported for not slaying you I can't say "well I assumed he saw you shoot at him" when he says "He never saw me shoot just killed me on sus". In a wvw situation, without your word to counter there's you are giving up your chance to refute any claim they make and I have no proof that it went down differently

 

You completely remove the entirety of my previous post. It was a situational issue. I would have been banned numerous times for loophole trolling or whatnot if i didn't reply to reports. There was only 1 instance ever that i mentioned that a report was marked completely trollish. If you even remotely played with me you know i respond to my reports at the earliest convenience even when alive. When someone SHOOTS YOU then claims THEY DID NOTHING AT ALL it is IRREFUTABLE LYING

 

And to add, being forceful is like forcing someone to testify at their own trial, and they refuse. It makes no sense that mod should HAVE to force at all. If I was put up for murder I sure as hell would like to give my side of the story instead of just letting the judge go completely on some other guy's word against me. Mods are trying there best to give you a chance to defend yourself and you're spitting in their face by closing the report over and over again.

 

Just tell them to use !respond for their reports, if the player doesn't respond after 2 rounds you set the slay. That way no one has to experience the "forced reports."

 

The problem with this argument is the difference between reality and a game. Mods have logs. Take Logs out of the question and you got the same exact system as real courts and judges. Yes mods are giving me a chance to redeem myself but you are trying to say that i have no choice. It is not spitting at the judge. If a mod idly waits for my response without looking at the logs in the meantime or checking chat or even spectating players then what are they doing besides getting a drink? Being forced a report multiple times through that one specific situation was wrong. I did answer him via @ by saying @I refuse to respond to blatantly fraudulent reports where the prosecutor is lieing. I am the defendant in that specific case. I am under choice and obligation to respond to the report. By refusing to there is a reason to look deeper into it. Being slain for false reporting is incredibly rare despite many mods knowing that many specific players know better. It is a case by case basis and i mentioned the only case of it happening to me. If you wish to keep arguing add me on steam so i may refute you or persuade you or if you actually have a point, persuade me. Because as far as i'm seeing (and many others i bet) all i see are

ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT MY SPECIFIC SITUATION

Since nobody is reading or acknowledging what i say. Seriously. You people can't even be lawyers.

 

Why in the hell are you guys arguing over something like this!? You all look ridiculous lol.

Lesson learned: Staff, ease up on the forcing of reports. Players, respond to reports when you get them; be clear and concise.

 

I agree with that. Although to be nitpicked by staff (i wish to say ignorant but that would be considered rude and definitely biased) over a specific situation i quoted. That's just rude and it is wrong. Also @Bowling i don't see the point of your nitpicking. I would have to applaud @MangoTango for clearing up the argument you had to bring. Nice job

 

The point of my nitpicking is you brought up the situation on this thread about general reports to use as an example, so I'm using the example as it applies to the general situation I encounter on a daily basis as a mod. Imagine if all players acted that way? The way you presented it was that you never respond to reports which you determine to be blatantly false

Because of this, I took it out of the realm a specific case and into the realm of something you do all the time. Even if it is blatant, it helps us be able to close the report and continue doing other tasks instead of constantly having to check for a response, I don't know about other mods but I don't like to leave reports in progress while playing the next round and waiting for a response unless there is a slay on them so I'll know if they left without answering. Also, some players breathe down our necks asking why you weren't slain, what the response was, well he didn't see me do this, he killed me on sus cause that. I can't say well he saw you shoot at him if you haven't said it yet. The only reports I would call very blatantly false, is c4 T-buddy kills, DNA evidence (though telling the mod you had DNA helps them look for it), and when a player is slain and reporting players at random.

That's all I'm gonna say, if you're gonna try to hide under your "specific situation" shield now I'm not going to continue to discuss it.

 

It is a very specific situation because of the wording. Now if the player had say thrown a discombob, shot someone else, then i would respond to it. Also we haven't played together so i dont get the

It is only one situation out of the hundreds of thousands that staff have to handle each day. And the reason i keep responding is because i take it into my point of that specific situation. Nothing else. You addressed me specifically instead of what everyone does all the time. That shows unheeded biases.

And the "Specific situation" shield you said i try to hide under, realize that there are situations that as you mentioned yourself and countless admins, require different treatment although however rare.

Oh by the way... Im
THE ALMIGHTY LAWYERBOT!

@Slicck Perhaps you can close this thread and bring civilization to it? Cause honestly being nitpicked by a mod with horrible reasoning that in theory sounds great but in practice is pretty terrible. I make a single remark (and admittedly continue on with the argument perhaps out of pleasure or boredom) about the one time i didn't respond intentionally to a report. Lets just leave it at what MangoTango said. Because let us all be fair and say it was a needless waste of server space although i hope a good lesson for both me and @Bowling if he will attempt to agree or add me on steam. Seriously. Or message me on the forums since he wishes to drag it out with every reply i give.

 

I can't wait for your arrogance to not replying to reports to get you slain.

Jfc there is no reason not too.

I dont give a fuck for your long ass arguments, theres no reason to ignore the report, any reason you give is wrong so don't bother.

 

I think in lawyerbot's case i understand why he choose's not to reply to the report. I've had cases where someone reports me for killing them saying they did nothing, when they actually shot me or another person and i reply in the report 'You shot me/someone else'. Logs will show he did and the mod/admin would chalk that up as a valid kill, and move on to another report, when the person who reported me should be facing punishment for lying/false report.

By saying in admin chat he's not replying to a report in which someone is lying the mod has to look into it more and apply punishment accordingly so it makes sense somewhat. But at the same time you could always reply to the report and put in your report that the person is lying to get you slain/making a false report and the mod/admin looks into it regardless.

As for the point of this discussion i think Mango has covered it quite well, no need to add anything else.

 

Please tell me what you find with this, I'm genuinely curious. If this is the case, @Big Al also had an interesting note to add to this. Just a simple check if the menu is already open, and if so don't do anything. (That way it doesn't reset the text, which is very much an issue.) If @Highwon was willing to make this adjustment and the forced reports can't be closed, then I don't see any reason for future complaint with this system. There are two sides to this fence though, as @urisk2 kindly pointed out. Just personally I don't find that the average player could be doing something so important that they needed to [X] out the forced report to continue doing it, especially after not responding to the report multiple times already. (Most Moderators wait at least a full life-cycle before forcing a report after it came up, which is more than enough time for anyone to do <whatever> and reopen/respond to the report if they had intended to.)

I'd also recommend that when a player closes out the menu, it prints a simple message in chat explaining how to reopen the menu. Even I don't remember the command to reopen the report menu after it's been closed, albeit I left quite a long time ago. Nonetheless, it wouldn't hurt and should help new/old players alike.

 

!respond reopens the report response box.

 

That my good sir is called Ignorance. Thank you. Thank you very much! And no. I reply to all my reports. That specific case was just the time i didn't so i would instigate some sort of action from the moderator.

Also keep up with the Dumb Ratings so i may laugh.

 

Why hasn't this ridiculous thread been locked yet?

It was made to bring attention to something. That objective has been met.

Lock it. Move on. Have a nice day.

 

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