An Outside Perspective On The Rules

Okay admittingly I came here to inquire about a certain map, but I feel like I should just offer a thought up there. It feels like when you go to the store for a couple things... and get more than you originally went for.

Anyway I creeper around on these forums a bit (truly terrifying I know) and I found that maybe it couldn't hurt to rethink a couple rule for the sake of logic and reasoning.... I have not read your full list of rules, but in my short look-around I seen two that... I'd say I'd disagree with for the sake of logic and reasoning. I hope I don't insult anyone and I understand my voice doesn't hold much value if any, but hey who knows maybe I'll get a discussion going.

1. It is to my understanding here it is not KOS'able if someone has an unidentified body. At least that is what I read in another forum. When you think about it there is no good reason for an inno to be carrying or be extremely close to an unidentified body. It seems traitorous.

2. It also seems to be KOS'able if someone throws a discombob.... at all. If it endangers players, that's one thing, but if it doesn't, then well it's kinda like emptying a mag into a wall that's in front of your face with nobody around. It doesn't seem like something that screams traitor and in rare cases discombobs are used to move objects around or help players reach an area.

I feel as though those two rules would make a better, more understanding connection with players if they were changed.

I respect that I have no authority here and this server is free to make it's own choice, but this is just my two cents on what I saw. I hope there is no hard feelings.

 

1. Welcome to the forums
2. It is KOSable to have or be around an unidentified body.
3. Throwing a discombob should be kosable because if we make it map oriented or such, it would be too confusing and ridiculous for us staff. Better to generalize it like we do.
4. Appreciate the kindness.

 

I would suggest reading all of the rules before making suggestions on them, especially since there are some situational rules that play off of basic rules. Also, adding to what Chaotic said, in the basic rules it is listed as a traitorous act to not ID a body, by carrying or be extremely close to an unIDed you are actively not IDing it which makes it a traitorous act.

 

As a comment towards discombobs, if we did not generalize as Chaotic said it would make it much harder to deal with punishment wise.

E.X. player 1 throws discombob on flat surface player 2 kills player 1 for throwing a discombob and claims "I was on the roof" unless we witness that he was actually on flat ground we have no way of knowning. This would cause arguments and end up in a general state of chaos that the mods on at the time would then ahve to deal with on top of the current situation. It's much easier to just say "Hey, don't throw this thing or you can get killed."

Along with that, throwing a discombob as an innocent can be dangerous in any case, even on flat ground. You could knock a prop into someone, tip over an explosive barrel, send someone flying into a car(67th way) or even send someone into the crossfire of an on going firefight. The entire purpose of the discombob is to discombobulate(fancy word right?) your opponents and cause chaos to allow you to do your job better as a traitor.

 

As it's been said, the unidentified body thing is in fact KOS'able, and you should read the full list of rules before making assumptions on them. That being said, constructive criticism and player's opinions are otherwise pretty welcome.

Regarding the discombomb rule, here's where I see it as good the way it is: Just as you said pertaining to the unidentified body, an innocent has no reason to throw a discombomb (just as they would have no reason to not identify a body), USUALLY. There's that whole, "I just wanted to change grenades" argument, but there is quite literally a button for dropping a grenade, and avoiding any possible damage to other players (Q). Now, sure, there are literally a ton of situations where simply throwing a discombomb doesn't really justify being killed for it (like, as you stated, somewhere where no one can take damage), but from an RDM manager/damage log perspective, this would also create a ton of arguments, and possible loophole trolling to avoid slays if the grenade couldn't damage someone, as that's entirely debatable, and the mere possibility of it inflicting damage cannot be seen on damage logs. Only actual damage. So having a rule in which it isn't KOS'able to kill someone for throwing a discombomb where no one can get hurt from it, would just create more confusion, anger, lies, slays, and be almost entirely pointless. With all that being said, players should just generally avoid throwing discombombs for no reason, and the players who are killing them for it should take it upon themselves to not kill someone for simply throwing a discombomb somewhere that no one can be hurt by it, and realize that that sort of behaviour can essentially make the gaming experience a lot less fun for most players.

Now go forth and finish reading the rules, and I hope you can find them to your liking, and enjoy your stay here further.

- Drunk Dog.

 

I tried to revamp the rules. They disagreed.

http://www.seriousttt.com/threads/innocent-until-proven-guilty.19494/

 

That wasn't revamping the rules, that was revamping the punishment process

 

That wasn't revamping the punishment process, that was revamping stupidity itself, and my stance on euthanasia on humans.

Edit: Sorry that I mean mean, Whitewolf. I just... I hated that suggestion.

 

I'm pretty sure Whitewolf's point was to get that suggestion hated. It was never a serious suggestion.

As for discombobulators - remember, they are the only dangerous grenade that isn't limited by walls. Their explosive force/push can push players on the other side of a wall, whereas a frag or incendiary cannot. I've seen players push players to their death because of a discombobulator on a different floor.

 

1. Already a thing.
2. http://www.seriousttt.com/threads/discombobulators.13642/
http://www.seriousttt.com/threads/discomb-rules.18394/

Go ahead and search through the forums for the amount of people reported or appealing for rdming with a discombob.

3. Have a nice day.

 

The problem is that discombob throw things very very far. Very Fast. so thus kill-able.

I'm all about the death penalty! +1

 

Besides what was already pointed out by everyone already, I'll give my 2 cents on the matter. Not really gonna talk about discombobulators since I feel everyone else already covered them in depth already.

1) You already know that passing an unidentified body is traitorous then correct (considering this rule is universal amongst most (if not all) TTT servers). Now, how do we know that this player isn't trying to hide the body so no one can find it? What if that player was the killer and doesn't want anyone to know so he carries it to a location no one can access? That possibility always exists and sure, we may have trolls who will carry the unidentified bodies just for the sake of getting killed and lowering other players' karma levels. However, if you're not trying to support the innocents/detectives in regards to the unidentified bodies, then you deserve to get shot down. That's why carrying unidentified bodies are traitorous. Identifying bodies only takes like a second and then you can feel free to carry the body without any problems without the need of getting killed.

Rules in every TTT community will always vary to some degree. Just because you saw something on one community/forum doesn't mean that it will be allowed in the next one.

 

Rules in every TTT community will always vary to some degree. Just because you saw something on one community/forum doesn't mean that it will be allowed in the next one.[/QUOTE]
I was referring to this post:
"The latest of which was an incident where i killed a traitor for obviously trying to hide a detectives body, and when only 10 seconds ago i was alone with the 2 of them. I only came back because i heard a sniper shot to come from where i just was to find Amatsu hiding a detectives body, but of course Mr Rogers thinks that should be considered random death match" -@Bongrips4Jesus
on this topic: http://www.seriousttt.com/threads/no-way-this-should-be-considered-rdm.19165/

I could've been mistaken or didn't gather the proper info, but it seemed like @Carned said:
"But basically, if you had been more detailed in your response you probably wouldn't have been slain but you didn't witness a T act."

I could be confused but I took this as reference to the hiding the body part... Thanks for understanding I'm not trying to force change or attack this community, but I felt the need to say something.

 

The body in that situation was identified, If I'm not mistaken. Identified bodies = OK. Unidentified = Not OK.

Also, for the future, please don't edit quotes or whatever you did to mess up that quote so much... Made quoting you on the matter a pain...

 

We could use the updated damagelogs but, Highwon does not want to use it because it is buggy right now. The new damagelogs provide a death scene and lets you see exactly what happens before the RDM

 

That about sums it up. A player can do anything they want with an ID'd body without being traitorous and that includes hiding the body or making it unreachable. (unless it involves another T act such as destroying a tester)

 

I would suggest to read the rules before posting about the rules.
The OP obviously got the message now and I hope this gets locked soon.

 

Ok right as I come back your rating me dumb. I love it. No I don't. Just stop giving me terrible ratings. Specifically you @La Vie

 

Your post barely had any relevancy to the main post.
Therefore dumb.

 

It did. I was saying we could partially do his rule if we had new damage logs. So it is not random.

Edit: Fucking stop