I understand the need for such a strict enforcement of grenade rules as a traitorous act, due to how many people abuse them and throw them haphazardly. But there are indeed certain situations in which a grenade can be used properly and efficiently as a innocent. Because of the blanket "k.o.s" statement regarding grenade usage, these situations are ruined or can be ruined by trolls. For example, lets say its down to 3 people. 2 are innocent, the last 1 is a T. You have him cornered... But he has a sniper and good accuracy, a frag grenade can easily change the tide of battle... So you throw it. "blanket KOS rule" your teammate decides to be a @$#% and shoots you in the head for throwing a grenade, and isn't punished because of the blanket KOS given to all grenades. There was a traitor in the water trap room... I told everyone ahead of time, on microphone, that I was going to buy and throw an incendiary grenade into the side room in order to try to harm the traitor on the otherside... Everything was going fine, everryone left the room, I threw the nade in, I shut the door, and repeated my action including the intent, no innocents were damaged...10 seconds later I was sprayed in the back with an m16 by an innocent who was in the room and heard ALL OF THIS. He didn't get slayed because "grenades are KOS if your innocent." .... really? This right here, was a very very obvious troll kill, but because of that blanket statement, I was killed with no punishment. I get it, some people are too god damn petty to not play innocents, and mess around and do nothing of importance other than any amount of trolling they can get away with while they are forced to be the "boring role" ... and yes, I understand the need for such strict rules because of the aforementioned people... But come on, you have to be blind to not see what just happened in that situation. This is why I believe the grenade rule needs to be changed, just slightly. Because it can be very obvious between someone randomly throwing grenades, and someone precisely using a grenade for the benefit of the team. I believe the rule should indicate that "random nade throwing" and "nades that damage allies" are traitorous and punishable. Which is the opposite of a well timed, planned, announced, with before and after warnings, nade throw. edit: and take note, when I say hes In the room, I mean the room everyone is standing in safe from the fire. Not the room that is on fire.
this more goes down to each individuals attitude and look towards it, most are chill like me and don't care at all but there's rule thumpers too
1. Throwing nades at any situation is kosable. that i understand is broad but it is in fact trackable. 2. People cannot tell accurately if someone was damaged by nade or not. This is purely based on personal experience of how retarded people tend to be 99% of the time. 3. These are people not gods. The logs don't lie but don't tell the whole story. There's a reason word v word is a thing. 4. I understand your anger. I hate situations like what you described. 5. Warnings as an innocent mean as much as i got a traitor weapon but not showing it. You cannot track teammates like a traitor.
The grenade rule will not be changed due to the fact that any of those grenades listed can damage/cause harm to players. Even though your intention was to try and harm the traitor, there's also a slight possibility that another player accident fly got hurt. Staff cannot do anything in your situation anyways, it's called word v word. Word v word is a something that a staff member has to go by if a situation is unclear, such as, someone walked over and in ID'd body and they're not aware if it, but another player is. Of course, he would kill him for committing a traitorous act, but then gets reported for RDM because the victim thinks he didn't walk over an in ID body/commit a traitorous act. Since, most of the time, staff did not witness anything, they can do nothing. You may seem like this is an unfair rule, but it's not. Also,throwing any grenade that can cause harm to others is completely KOSable. You don't know if that player heard you say that you were going to throw a grenade.
Tl;dr Angry because he got shot for throwing an incend he warned about, wants rule changed so that if you warn about throwing nades you can't get shot for it. At least that's what I understand from it.
